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Young Performance 11-16-2008 03:10 AM

This is why it costs so much to go fast!!!
 
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Here are some pics of the hoses and fittings going in the 399 Skater I'm rigging. These are only the fittings and hoses going in the engine compartment. This does not include any of the plumbing on the engine, nor does it include any of the water plumbing for the engine. It also does not include any of the oil plumbing for the dry sump system. This is only for the intercooler, the fuel line from the filter to the engine and for the pressure relief valves for the sea strainers that go to overboard dumps.
What you see represents several thousand dollars. Then I have to put it all in the boat Just the -16 hose is over $12/ foot. I got 50 feet to start and may need more. No one said going fast is cheap!!!
Eddie

Young Performance 11-16-2008 03:11 AM

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Young Performance 11-16-2008 03:13 AM

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Here are some pics for size reference. In the first pics are the -16 hose and fittings for the intercooler.
The next pic is the water inlet fitting for the sea pump.

Eddie.

Young Performance 11-16-2008 03:14 AM

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Water fitting for sea strainers.

AB From Windsor 11-16-2008 05:16 AM

That is just amazing to see all those pieces. Many of us have no idea what it takes other then money.

SkiDoc 11-16-2008 06:01 AM

The little parts add up quick, nothing better than doing it first class though. I met the owner at Lake Cumberland when he was trying the boat out with the Merc. 1075's. It seemed to run pretty well with the "little" motors. The colors really pop on the water.

boatfreak 11-16-2008 08:11 AM

I put oil therms on my coolers a year ago and just that little project cost me a fortune in hose and fittings, especially the fittings.

Bryan Rose 11-16-2008 08:32 AM


Originally Posted by Young Performance (Post 2740593)
Water fitting for sea strainers.

Ahhhh you just have small hands......:eek:


Just ribbin ya Eddie, looks great!



Bryan

WARPARTY36 11-16-2008 09:08 AM

OMG how do you keep up with all those pieces for one boat, do you have it computerized?:eek:

lightspeed 11-16-2008 09:16 AM

And If You Use Those Fittings Around Salt Water You Have To Replace Them In A Couple Of Years ,,And If You Use All Stainless It More Than Triples The Original Cost Factor

vette131 11-16-2008 09:30 AM


Originally Posted by Bryan Rose (Post 2740656)
Ahhhh you just have small hands......:eek:


Just ribbin ya Eddie, looks great!



Bryan

**** you beat me to it!!! grandma always said marry a girl with small hands it makes your pecker look bigger!! looks like you're going to spend some quality time at the vise!

99fever27 11-16-2008 11:05 AM


Originally Posted by vette131 (Post 2740687)
**** you beat me to it!!! grandma always said marry a girl with small hands it makes your pecker look bigger!! looks like you're going to spend some quality time at the vise!

LMAO...:p

yahoo 11-16-2008 03:00 PM

Just curious why wouldnt you use brass fittings ?

JasonSmith 11-16-2008 03:08 PM


Originally Posted by yahoo (Post 2740844)
Just curious why wouldnt you use brass fittings ?

Cuz they are ugly.

Young Performance 11-16-2008 03:28 PM


Originally Posted by vette131 (Post 2740687)
**** you beat me to it!!! grandma always said marry a girl with small hands it makes your pecker look bigger!! looks like you're going to spend some quality time at the vise!

You beat ME to it Mike. Those small hands make me think I'm Superman.



Originally Posted by JasonSmith (Post 2740849)
Cuz they are ugly.

You nailed it Jason. Anyone spending this kind of money for an engine and boat would not accept some ugly brass fittings. I don't know anyone that would accept brass fittings in a $900,000 boat. No offense Yahoo, just stating the facts.

Warparty,
I do keep track on a computer. Every nut, bolt, and fitting are tracked. I lay out the entire plumbing system on paper to see what I need. I keep some stuff in stock, but not this much. I usually just order everything I need for the job and keep my inventory in case I need a fitting that I didn't order. Sometimes the plumbing doesn't lay out like I planned and I need a different fitting. That is the biggest reason I keep stuff on hand.
Eddie

RunninHotRacing163.1 11-16-2008 03:33 PM

[QUOTE=vette131;2740687]**** you beat me to it!!! grandma always said marry a girl with small hands it makes your pecker look bigger!! :eek:

Funny chit right there :ernaehrung004:

jeff32 11-16-2008 07:31 PM

marine = expensive... as simple as that!

Jeff P31 11-16-2008 08:18 PM

Your wallet and or your wife will tell you how fast you can go !!!!!!!!!! :boat:

Young Performance 11-17-2008 01:07 AM


Originally Posted by Jeff P31 (Post 2741037)
Your wallet and or your wife will tell you how fast you can go !!!!!!!!!! :boat:

No truer statement has been spoken.

This boat doesn't need this quality of fittings and hose, the owner wants them. It could be done cheaper, but why would you do it. I guess I look at like this.....If you can afford a $900,000 boat, then this is trivial. It could be done with hose barb fittings and hose clamps, but not only does it look cheap, but at the speed this boat will be capable of, it is a safety issue. If the main water line comes off at 150 mph, do you know how fast the boat will fill up with water? It has a 2.5" id pipe for a water pickup. Screw together fittings are the way to go in a boat this fast.
Eddie

Brad Zastrow 11-17-2008 09:51 AM

Brass fittings have no place on a big power setup and to me that is only 300 hp and up. They are far too restrictive not to mention ugly. Fuel line, water lines and oil lines it is crtical to have a nice smooth flow. I can not tell you how many times I see a bad plumbing job on a big engine and the owner complains about blowing engines.
We spent nearly $5,000 in fittings and hose for my last boat. Dry sump engines require a lot parts.

osur866 11-17-2008 10:45 AM

B-end
O-ver
A-nd

osur866 11-17-2008 10:46 AM

B-end
O-ver
A-nd
T-ake it
BOAT but we love it. Steve

THE HOSER 11-17-2008 12:18 PM

You got good stuff
were did you get it from ?







www.morelandhose.com

Young Performance 11-17-2008 02:25 PM

Hoser,
I have a little bit of everything. I have fittings from Earls, Aeroquip, Russel, XRP, etc. It all depends on who has what I'm looking for. The nice thing about the black is that they are all the same color. If you use the blue fittings, the color varies from one manufacturer to the other. Most of the time I have to mix and match fittings from different sources.
Eddie

RunninHotRacing163.1 11-17-2008 02:30 PM

[QUOTE=Young Performance;2741120]No truer statement has been spoken.

This boat doesn't need this quality of fittings and hose


Oh Yes it does :cool-smiley-027: Its a SKATER :ernaehrung004:

yahoo 11-17-2008 07:10 PM

I think maybe you mis understood. I would use the blue aeroquip hose and brass fittings on the water only. The aluminum with salt water does not mix, and it corrodes from the inside so its hard to tell when its going to let loose.

It can happen fast in saltwater with a little stray current in a marina.

As far as restrictive the ID on the hose and fittings is the same as the aluminum fittings.

I was just in a 46 cig with 1075's and the water was done with brass and stainless fittings, no alum.

Uncle Dave 11-20-2008 12:22 PM

Ive Always Heard.......
 

Originally Posted by osur866 (Post 2741286)
B-end
O-ver
A-nd
T-ake it
BOAT but we love it. Steve


B- Bring/Bust
O- Out
A- Another
T- Thousand


You do it cheap= you do it twice. (or more)

(Eddie?) Young - thanks for the great pict's as usual.


Uncle Dave

Laveycraft 2750 Ilmor 710
Laveycraft 20.8 Sebring 406 SB

Panther 11-20-2008 01:49 PM


Originally Posted by yahoo (Post 2741656)
I think maybe you mis understood. I would use the blue aeroquip hose and brass fittings on the water only. The aluminum with salt water does not mix, and it corrodes from the inside so its hard to tell when its going to let loose.

It can happen fast in saltwater with a little stray current in a marina.

As far as restrictive the ID on the hose and fittings is the same as the aluminum fittings.

I was just in a 46 cig with 1075's and the water was done with brass and stainless fittings, no alum.

I'm on a similar page as you. If you're running salt 100% of the time you need stuff that lasts. Somtimes it means a little less bling.

Young Performance 11-20-2008 02:40 PM


Originally Posted by yahoo (Post 2741656)
I think maybe you mis understood. I would use the blue aeroquip hose and brass fittings on the water only. The aluminum with salt water does not mix, and it corrodes from the inside so its hard to tell when its going to let loose.

Yahoo,
I understand exactly what you are saying. I just don't like brass fittings. I actually didn't use any aluminum fittings on the water hoses. All fittings on the water side are stainless. I do have a couple of brass fittings in the bilge, but I painted them black so they would not stand out. There is another reason that I use the black AN fittings. They are hard coat anodized, so they hold up better to water then the blue and red fittings do. I have used aluminum hard anodized fittings in salt water before and they held up great. Not as good as stainless, but better then the others. I have boated most of my life in salt and know how harsh it can be. It will eventually eat up any aluminum fitting.
Eddie

HotPursuit 11-20-2008 06:33 PM


Originally Posted by vette131 (Post 2740687)
**** you beat me to it!!! grandma always said marry a girl with small hands it makes your pecker look bigger!! looks like you're going to spend some quality time at the vise!

You a nasty boy !!! Good point


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