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gregsweeney 01-22-2009 05:43 PM

Factory 850 refresh
 
what does it cost? Thanks for any help.

JCPERF 01-22-2009 05:54 PM


Originally Posted by gregsweeney (Post 2783842)
what does it cost? Thanks for any help.

Ive heard 24k and up

gregsweeney 01-22-2009 05:58 PM

That would be going through Mercury, correct?

dreamer 01-22-2009 06:02 PM


Originally Posted by BraceYourself (Post 2783861)
Just got my quote. All I can say is WOW. I sent in two perfectly working (2006) 1075's. They had 125 hours. Uppers done at 75 hours. Retail on the quote for the refresh and recomended upgrades was $95,000. This included a pulley upgrade that they highly recomended, new valve covers, and a few cosmetic upgrades. This was mercury's recommended price but my guy doing the R&R gave me a discount.
They just better perform as well as the first 125 hours.


shoulda gone to dean

Jassman 01-22-2009 06:05 PM

at that price why would you not investigate a few guys on the board to get you a rebuild price... like Tommy from Chief, Eddie Young, JCRP, Mark from Precision, Dean..or even Jassmeister perf engines:rolleyes::grinser010:..to me it would be less coin, possibly better parts..tell me what Im missing. And to ask 95k is just ludicrist....Thanks Jeff

Vyper340 01-22-2009 06:13 PM

Merc Racing told me $23k per when i talked to them last week. It's full rebuild with 6 mo. warranty. They also told me adjust valves with every oil change (25 hours), change drive oil (25 hrs) and the engine should go 150 hours.

JCPERF 01-22-2009 06:16 PM


Originally Posted by gregsweeney (Post 2783860)
That would be going through Mercury, correct?

Yes

JCPERF 01-22-2009 06:18 PM

I have done many 1075s,1200s and 600s.

DareDevil 01-22-2009 06:32 PM

$HIIIT, i can buy "3" 1100 Cobra engines for that BRAND NEW.

But what is there to expect from merc,,,they ask 77 dollars for a stud ,which i got from ARP for $ 5,26 and even stronger.:eek:

Jupiter Sunsation 01-22-2009 07:03 PM


Originally Posted by BraceYourself (Post 2783861)
Just got my quote. All I can say is WOW. I sent in two perfectly working (2006) 1075's. They had 125 hours. Uppers done at 75 hours. Retail on the quote for the refresh and recomended upgrades was $95,000. This included a pulley upgrade that they highly recomended, new valve covers, and a few cosmetic upgrades. This was mercury's recommended price but my guy doing the R&R gave me a discount. Orignal quote was $22,810 each engine.
They just better perform as well as the first 125 hours.
The engines HAVE BEEN AWESOME. GREAT RELIABILITY.

Jeremy you have a killer 46 Rough Rider but since purchase you have bought a new Manning trailer, done a 95K rebuild and bought a F650 to pull it after letting your old F450 go for 12K.......You must have 200K into that boat after taxes, insurance, maintenance, truck and trailer......all after how many hours of use? 40-50 at best?

blume 01-22-2009 07:14 PM


Originally Posted by BraceYourself (Post 2783861)
Just got my quote. All I can say is WOW. I sent in two perfectly working (2006) 1075's. They had 125 hours. Uppers done at 75 hours. Retail on the quote for the refresh and recomended upgrades was $95,000. This included a pulley upgrade that they highly recomended, new valve covers, and a few cosmetic upgrades. This was mercury's recommended price but my guy doing the R&R gave me a discount. Orignal quote was $22,810 each engine.
They just better perform as well as the first 125 hours.
The engines HAVE BEEN AWESOME. GREAT RELIABILITY.


JB, I was on the phone with Randy at Cobra (a certified Mercury dealer for 25+ years) when you posted and told him about it. He said he would rebuild them, do all the upgrades, give you a 6 months warranty....all for $26.000.00 each. With a guarantee that $26,000.00 each is all you will pay, no up selling or surprises.

gofastkyle 01-22-2009 07:17 PM

don't forget all the braided hoses and aluminum fittings.

thisistank 01-22-2009 07:19 PM

Are you f*ckin' kidding me!!!??? Who in their right mind would pay 92k to rebuild a motor!!?? WTF?? I had a Merc 650HP completely torn down and rebuilt for 10k.

silverskater40 01-22-2009 07:26 PM


Originally Posted by daredevil (Post 2783892)
$HIIIT, i can buy "3" 1100 Cobra engines for that BRAND NEW.

But what is there to expect from merc,,,they ask 77 dollars for a stud ,which i got from ARP for $ 5,26 and even stronger.:eek:

If you can get me 3- new 1100 Cobras for 92k, I'll take 3 now

thisistank 01-22-2009 07:38 PM


Originally Posted by BraceYourself (Post 2783939)
That was for (2) and I got a discount from retail. Just crazy they actually bill it out for that.

I realize it was for two motors...Even though my post didn't read like that. 92k is insane. I mean really, I'd like to see a build sheet after the rebuild. Do they charge 300 an hour for labor?

AIR TIME 01-22-2009 07:52 PM


Originally Posted by gregsweeney (Post 2783842)
what does it cost? Thanks for any help.

call DEAN GELLNER he has a nice package deal for 850s/1075s/1200s. and his stuff lasts.

Uncle Dave 01-22-2009 08:15 PM

Good question.
 

Originally Posted by thisistank (Post 2783944)
I realize it was for two motors...Even though my post didn't read like that. 92k is insane. I mean really, I'd like to see a build sheet after the rebuild. Do they charge 300 an hour for labor?

Im completely envious of your ability to have this problem to start with ( & I want a ride in your rig) but ThisisTank is right.

I dont understand either. What are you getting for 22.8K an engine?
and you said you had "the uppers" done. PLEASE show us the build sheet.

Actually if you could get the shop to print an injection profile for you that would be really enlightening- that will show you how much time the engines have spent at various throttle openings, and all the late model mercs (nmea 2000 compliant mercs) have this.

DO you mean you paid to get an engine top end freshening?- or a drive upper?

I'm really curious to compute out the real ownership costs of this package are.

Good to hear they are reliable- they should be at that price. Combine the acquisition costs, with the upper spend + the fresh up at 125 hours and the valve adjustments - and wow.......


Uncle Dave

LaveCraft 2750 Ilmor 710
LaveyCraft 20.8 Tunnel 406

DMOORE 01-22-2009 09:08 PM

WOW! I'm just blown away at the prices Merc gets for a REBUILD. And this was on a good running motor that just needed freshening.




Darrell.

mikebrls 01-23-2009 02:18 AM

THIS IS WHY THERE HURTING FOR BUSINESS ,
ALL I CAN SAY IS ONE THING.
"" GREED """"
THEY WONT BE GETTING AWAY WITH THIS FOR TO LONG IN THIS ECONOMY .

PLENTY OF GOOD HIGH END BUILDER'S THAT WILL REBUILD THESE MOTOR'S FOR LESS THEN HALF OF THE PRICE THAT MERC WANT'S WITH BETTER PART'S THAT LAST LONGER THEN 125 HOUR'S . IV HERD OF SOME OF THESE CUSTOM BUILDER'S 1000HP MOTOR'S RUNING 200 PLUS HOUR'S BEFORE A REBUILD .

JUST MY 2cents
MIKE

Jupiter Sunsation 01-23-2009 07:01 AM


Originally Posted by mikebrls (Post 2784175)
IV HERD OF SOME OF THESE CUSTOM BUILDER'S 1000HP MOTOR'S RUNING 200 PLUS HOUR'S BEFORE A REBUILD .
JUST MY 2cents
MIKE

I'm sure these guys are the same ones that get 24 MPG on a stock dually and have boats that run 15-20 MPH faster than identical boats with identical power......:rolleyes:

200+ hours on 1000 HP before rebuilds seems optimistic when stories have popped up about stock 525's going boom in 100 hours or less. My idea of a trouble free motor is how many hours before it has to be disassembled for anything (top end, valves whatever).

gofastkyle 01-23-2009 07:14 AM

Usually the drives get a little work at this time too. What was the freight cost to get motors to merc? What was the labor cost to pull, crate and reinstall? Was there any blower work in that estimate?

AIR TIME 01-23-2009 09:18 AM

I know my new motor when done will get between 200 and 250 and that is with the big pulley at about 1050hp its not finished yet . thats because he is using a roller cam, so I wll have to change springs, lifters valve job. that should be it. and my motor has very good parts. I heard merc was 50,000 for twins from a friend in my town who sells merc parts. he looked at me funny when I told him 96,000 for twins he said maybe it was a misprint. man a 125 hours is dick for a 1075 motor that costs 65,000 to 80,000 for just one motor:eek::eek:. Thank god theres guys LIKE DEAN GELLNER out there that can build a race motor and last for four seasons:ernaehrung004:

Superbabi 01-23-2009 01:12 PM

New Motors or Rebuilds, RON POTTER !!!

ssm-v1 01-23-2009 01:20 PM

That seams a litle steep. I have sent several pairs back to mercury and once given the estimate the end price wasnt much higer. The first rebuild to the original owner is discounted to 18,000 per which includes a ton of parts
bearings, rod bolts,gaskets,lifters,springs,valve locks, retainers,valve seats, rocker arms rebuilt, rebuilt blowers , all new sensors, belts ,hoses all the block and head work , pistons, rings ,seapumps .If upon tear down if any aluminum part is found deteriorating it will be replaced at add $ . Every pkg that I have returned looked like brand new and came with bokes of all the old replaced parts. Still your price sounds very high.


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