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LZH 03-03-2009 06:00 PM


Originally Posted by bonecrusher (Post 2813237)
I have just read your pathetic apology and it amazes me that even after all the quotes you have read of these heart felt concerns that many of our OSO community have been giving you came up with another couple quotes still talking trash. Shame on you. I hate to say it but some people just think they know everything and (mmareno) you happen to be one of these guys who never does anything wrong or has never made a mistake. An apology from you would have been appreciated and accepted. We all make mistakes and say things we dont always mean but you continued on. Remember a sorry goes a long way. But then your ignorance and lack of respect for HUMAN LIFE continued to show as you were trying to reason why these men (as you say SUPERSTARS) should of and could of had a bigger boat which would have made everything alright. Well judging people in times of tragedy it down right appalling and disgusting. I pray to god you never experience tragedy like these men and their families but if you do maybe your outlook on life may change. God Bless these families who have been struck with a terrible tragedy.

No need to be so dramatic about it. OK, we get it...his post was in bad taste and he made a half ass attempt at an apology. We are all entitled to our own opinions about what may or may not have happened and the obvious outcome. But guess what ? I'm getting a little sick of hearing you preach about GOD. Sure, I feel badly for these guys and especiall their families. But that doesn't mean we can't discuss what happened, how it happened and try to prevent it from happening again. But understand something....GOD is the reason they are not home having dinner with their families right now. GOD had a plan for them and it was obviously not what anyone would have wanted. Yes, it was a terrible tragedy. But bad things happen to good people and it's becasue of GOD'S will. The only thing we can do as humans is be prepared, make wise decisions and hope for the best.
:party-smiley-004:

Keytime 03-03-2009 06:40 PM

Threads about occurrences like these are too predictable. Criticize-offend-apologize(maybe)-judge-repeat. Like most forums, I suppose.
I guess I just judged, huh? :snide:

Quite simply, my thoughts and prayers for these boaters and their friends and families.

Macklin 03-03-2009 07:01 PM

I went back and edited my post to take out my heartless comment. It was uncalled for.

My heart goes out to the families of those involved in this tragedy.

Indy 03-03-2009 07:11 PM

They called off the search tonight...devastating...absolutely devastating. I hope they died with some sort of peace :(

Jupiter Sunsation 03-03-2009 07:25 PM


Originally Posted by Jassman (Post 2813165)
When I was coming back from KW in Nov 07, as soon as we came out of the inlet, it was 2-3's..I knew it was going to be a long way home..On the way up I burned from Pompano inlet to KW 187 gallons...I filled up with 220 for the departure..well guess what..it wasnt enough...I should have put 3 more gallons in..We went through 4-6 footers, which required obviously more throttling and my smart craft was not working properly going in and out..so that when I hit Miami it showed I had 45 gallons..no problem:eek:..I thought I will make it...it went to 18-19 gallons half way to the Pompano..so I was faced with turn around and possibly get back to Miami or stay on plane in an idle situation best as possible to get to the Pompano inlet..I ran out of gas about 1 mile short...water was splashing over the side..Sandy was freaking...thank god one of the A.T. guys CLARK and CHUCK BEECHER in their 37 AT turned around and came back for me..otherwise my new 43 Nortech could have been up against the rocks, or if I dropped anchor might have also had a bad situation like these guys. You just never know. They lassoed a rope in which I tied to my boe cleat and proceeded to pull me in through this sh#t..(6+ sea's). My point is even if you don't ever plan on it, and use good judgement, it might just happen...Clark's nick name is now CLARKSTAR..just like GM's Onstar...Thank You again buddy..:ernaehrung004::ernaehrung004:Jeff

Same story two weekends ago after the Miami Boat Show PR. Dumped 75 gallons in, ran back with two other boats but I had to run WOT to stay with them. Ran inside up to Stiltsville then outside to Haulover, at Govt Cut needle was bouncing on E, brought boat to idle in 2-3ft sloppy chop, gauge popped back to 1/4. Only 7-8 miles to Haulover but that is a nasty inlet on a outgoing tide. Palms were sweaty all the way until I hit the ICW thinking I may run out at any minute. Got back to Haulover ramp and needle was resting on E. I will know when I fill the tank next how close I got to running out.......

mmareno 03-03-2009 07:39 PM


Originally Posted by bonecrusher (Post 2813237)
I have just read your pathetic apology and it amazes me that even after all the quotes you have read of these heart felt concerns that many of our OSO community have been giving you came up with another couple quotes still talking trash. Shame on you. I hate to say it but some people just think they know everything and (mmareno) you happen to be one of these guys who never does anything wrong or has never made a mistake. An apology from you would have been appreciated and accepted. We all make mistakes and say things we dont always mean but you continued on. Remember a sorry goes a long way. But then your ignorance and lack of respect for HUMAN LIFE continued to show as you were trying to reason why these men (as you say SUPERSTARS) should of and could of had a bigger boat which would have made everything alright. Well judging people in times of tragedy it down right appalling and disgusting. I pray to god you never experience tragedy like these men and their families but if you do maybe your outlook on life may change. God Bless these families who have been struck with a terrible tragedy.

Mr. BoneCrusher, Nice name by the way, I am sorry again for upsetting you.. My feelings are "my feelings".. These accidents are becoming either more frequent or getting more publicized.

One day everyone will have to have some type of safety course or something...

Yes I do agree with Jassman, there are situations that come up that "WE" can't predict. But Again, ( I know you won't like this) 4 guys in a 21 foot boat.... How many miles out???... I don't care if it is calm... That is far for a center console 21 foot boat... Better steps "could" have been taken... I do feel horrible for the families, friends, of anyone that loses loved ones...

So again.. I do apologize for getting your temper flared up... and you are right this about losing some fellow boaters.. I just think 'SOMEONE" needs to put some strong input on boater safety.... We are losing too many to accidents that "MAY" be prevented..

PhantomChaos 03-03-2009 07:51 PM

What's the word from the survivor? Is he talking?

LZH 03-03-2009 08:09 PM


Originally Posted by PhantomChaos (Post 2813418)
What's the word from the survivor? Is he talking?

Exactly...I wanna know what happened. They were under anchor in heavy seas when the boat was flipped and they got tossed. Were they lost ?? Were they drunk ? Were they out of gas ?? Did they have engine trouble ???

mmareno 03-03-2009 08:37 PM

This is the most I have found:

Life Vests

Schuyler was “very exhausted and somewhat groggy” during his conversation yesterday with the Coast Guard, Close said earlier today. The survivor told authorities the four men weren’t wearing life jackets when the 21-foot boat flipped at around 5 p.m. New York time on Feb. 28 but immediately swam under the boat and were able to don the vests, Close said.

“We haven’t been able to have any more detailed conversations with Mr. Schuyler due to his physical and medical conditions,” Close said in his final news briefing before suspending the case.

mmareno 03-03-2009 08:46 PM

I have read about 15 diferent articles... This is One more:

Kevin Smith, a Florida native, said he has been fishing off the coast as far as the men were in boats smaller, the same size and larger than the 21-foot watercraft that capsized.

"The No. 1 thing when you're out there is, you have to respect the water," he said. "I know those guys had safety vests. I'm trying not to even think about it. That's a tough way to go."

The four friends left Clearwater Pass early Saturday in calm weather, but heavy winds picked up through the day and the seas got heavy, with waves of 7 feet and higher, peaking at 15 feet on Sunday. A relative alerted the Coast Guard early Sunday after the men did not return as expected. The Coast Guard said it did not receive a distress signal.

Close said some family members asked about continuing the search on their own, which he discouraged but said the Coast Guard wouldn't prevent.

"I can't emphasize this enough," Close said. "We do not want any additional search and rescue cases resulting from people who are outside their experience level."

The Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission may be heading out Wednesday to recover the boat, which was still on the water.

Schuyler told the Coast Guard the boat was anchored when it capsized. The four friends were able to put on life vests and huddle together, but eventually became separated, he said.

Schuyler was dehydrated and showing symptoms of hypothermia, but his condition was upgraded to fair on Tuesday. Hospital officials said he didn't want to talk to the media.


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