Engine Builder Beware
 

A good screwing from another engine builder JTM machine from Ohio. Had to get into a fresh engine that was done by them and dyno'ed that was leaking oil out of it on the stand. I found loose valve cover bolts, a 1/2 a$$ install of the oil cooler and lines (all were loose) I also found three different brands of head bolts installed on the motor what a magnificent piece of workmanship. I wouln't trust them with a leaf blower motor better yet one for my model airplane.

That sucks, glad I do my own assembly, then at least if it is wrong... my fault!

The way the economy is these people should be kissing a$$ like there is no tomorrow, with workmanship like this hopefully there won't be.

Where are they located?

Canton/Akron area

That sucks we just met them in fla. a couple of weeks ago at the poker run seemed like good guys. I was hoping to have found another good engine builder.

Did you contact them and what was there explanation for this. What did you find inside?

What we found was at least three different brands of head bolts installed "under the valve covers", the oil lines that go to the cooler were finger tight, we changed everything over to aeroquip lines, we found the valve cover bolts by the exhaust finger tight, the oil adapter on the bottom of the engine had no o-ring on the center bolt leaking oil. Is that what you would call a quality build?

I feel your pain Bro :ernaehrung004:

There's a forum for these posts. Did you ask for your money back?

:eek::eek::eek: See.. That is Justed F*cked up.
Most never cry about the engine bill, But when you see what "Some" do with the engine you want to choke the living P*ss out of them. ..Do you think the engine builder thought you may NEVER take the valve cover off??

Some guys just don't have any pride in their work!!

Sorry for you Loss !!!!!!!!!!

People invest THOU$AND$ of dollars into this sport and some of these builders couldn't care any less how they hurt people-----they just want to take your hard earned money, but that is the day we live in----cheat your neighbor...cheat a friend, but those who don't Repent for the wrongs they have done in life will pay one day.

What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his own soul in hell???

Wow that is wild. What did they charge? What kind of engine?

Brain surgery or Proctology !
 

Keep telling OSO'ers to keep their MARINE HIGH PERFORMANCE engine building with the real reputable marine engine builders and stay away from these machine shops that dabble and dribble in marine engine disasters ! When you need brain surgery you don't go to a proctologist !, they are both doctors , but that's where the similarity ends !

Best Regards,
Ray @ Raylar

Engine Builder Beware "MYSTERY CUSTOMER"
 

That's BULL****! That motor would have never left my shop in that condition. My policies are to back all of my work. Why didn't you call me if you had issues. My question...If you didn't contact me, Do you still owe me money??? Bring ANY ENGINE YOU CAN BUILD...I'll meet you at the lake, river, ocean...whatever! I don't recall your customer status.

Thank you!

Call me if you have any questions.
JTM Marine
330.484.6587

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The best part is the idiots that will start chiming in and start bashing u for making these claims saying "those guys never did me wrong", "they're the best". WTF. That sux. Nothing worse than spending money for nothing. Very, very legit reasons for being PO'd. Go in there with a gun and tell them to make it right.

I have been there myself......:mad: Goodluck getting it 100%.:ernaehrung004:

Post some pictures of the motor with the parts. We would like to see them.

I think there is always two sides to the story, Yes there are a alot of fly by night builders out there. Then there are guys that want horse power cheap (like me) cant blame the builder if you opt to reuse something and it fails later is it the engine builders fault? Why do you think mercruiser rebuilts are $20,000 plus? H@ll they change the valve covers on there rebuilds.

I met Jtm at the islmarado poker run and he seemed like a stand up guy. I think we should hear his story. I also think He would have been the first person I called to make it right if no effort is made to remedy the problem then defiantly would be black eye material.
Dont bother trying to sue more headache then its worth been there. Sometimes shady characters need taught a lesson or they'll keep on doing it. Remember dark place no witness.

I understand what you're saying, however if the customer request will compromise the integrity of the engine then I would expect the builder to decline the job. I do it once in a while, I'm in construction/remodeling and if the customer wants something that I consider to be a compromise with future negative ramifications then I'll not do the job. It's not worth the headaches for myself and the customer down the road. I'm not saying this happened here, I have no idea, just a general response to your comment.

With a builder like DEAN GELLNER in that area of ohio, he would be the 1st guy to get a price from plus he is on here and the other sites, thats why I spent 5 hundred to ship the unassembled 572 blower to him instead of bring it here for my old builder, I felt DEAN is one of the honest and better builders in the country. plus the sister motor to mine blew up with 5 to 10 hours on it, that came from a well known NJ builder:eek:. Dean had to re machine the block ,heads and told me THAT THE OIL PAN WAS TO SMALL for what I wanted for power with the big blower so I needed a lil time to get the other pan and he was cool about that. and he will run your boat to tune it like a few other builders . but my builder would not do that here he would not put the marine chit on either so ,I am glad I meet DEAN two or three years ago on oso he is my ENGINE GOD:p:p:p. thank you Dean for being you a great builder and person.

RAY your 100% right and you have a nice package for the 496 motors, anyone I see with them the 496 hos I tellum to check your upgrades out:ernaehrung004:

web site bull sh1t
 

i have not yet had the oppertunity to get screwed over by anybody in the marine industry. so i can't say i feel your pain, but being in the construction industry my reputation is everything. that being said...

1. why give anybody a boat load of money without checking in with some past clients.
2. if some one had a problem with some work done, why wouldn't you call them up and talk to them first. (instead of getting on OSO and bashing there rep)

so, with that being said how do we know that this guy isn't full of sh!t. maybe the boat owner was a royal pain in the a$$ during the build, and the guy wouldn't be his friend after the motors were done.

I guess my point here is that anybody that may have had there feeling hurt or didn't have there ego stroked can have hard feelings about things and get on OSO and start bashing.

WITH OUT PHOTOS OR VIDEO THIS CLAIM COULD BE TOTAL BULL SH!T.

just my 2 cents

My question is why didn't anybody respond to the engine builder's post #13.....all of sudden I hear crickets chirping...... The fact is you can please some of the people all the time and all the people some of the time but never ever all the people all the time!!!!!!

It was not my engines and I don't have to provide pictures or videos, we don't have any anyhow, we just fixed all the problems ourselves and we did it right. I just know what I found and I think people should know. If it would of been mine there would of been legal action. I would hate to see somebody else get screwed like so many others in the boat industry. I really like the challenge of meeting us anywhere anytime. I will say no more.

I know when I have something done and they make obvious and stupid mistakes, I lose my faith in their ability to do it right and I don't want to take it back to them to fix.

Hold on a second. I don't know JTM or you, but if they aren't your engines, maybe you jumped the gun with your bashing. Before you go after someone's reputation and livlihood, you need to have your facts straight. Did you see the receipts? the dyno sheets? Maybe the rebuild was yesterday, maybe it was eleven years ago. How much was the bill? $40,000 or $38 bucks.

my point as well.

you can really screw up someones reputation.

I purchased a previous owned boat that had HP500's which were just freshened by JTM prior to me purchasing the boat and had no problems with the engines. I did not have the work done and did not pay the bill but did not have any complaints.
Steve

I don't know who JTM is BUT the problems described are insignifigant if they are even true (other than a o-ring missing on oil adapter)
Engine was sitting on a stand from the description-found all the oil lines loose,maybe someone screwed them on finger tight until it went in the actual boat, I do this on mine until I orient which way lines/swivels go
valve cover bolts were loose,how loose? I have had guys bring bench job transmissions in then they tear the dipstick hat seal installing it,as soon as it starts leaking they start reefing on the pan bolts then cvall me up telling me they were "loose"
Different head bolts that weren't exactly identical (as far as markings) were used,did customer pay for new ones or were old ones re-used?
If motor was knocking,had cast pistons in it,parts were charged for that weren't actually put in,lifters were installed backwards and chewed up cams,cast cranks were used when steel ones were billed out,etc,etc then I would say lets barbecue these guys but the stuff described is NOTHING compared to the typical horror storys we see on here,Smitty

Gonna bash somebody here and don't have to provide proof? Starting to smell like someting you don't wanna step in now...:evilb:

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Read this thread and form your own opinion.....

http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/d...put-shaft.html

No doubt!!!! Amazing how people want to start a LYNCH MOB and persecute immediately.:argue:

Sam

DUDE, you are way out of line. Not your engines? You posted like it was your stuff and now back down. Makes me wonder!
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