But i did,I did :ernaehrung004::ernaehrung004:

well said, I hate that bullchit, and saw something close to it in va this weekend I walked out the guys house cause I wanted to punch him:mad::rolleyes:

once again I agree.

Mike wrote:
Ok, i have been following up with all the postings, and have been holding back to see all the posts. Note, if you all had read the mechanic notes, it looked like there might have been water in the blocks "possibly" and it froze at one time and from our understanding, thats how the cracks were made. Again, Mark at Kinser racing, did the leak down, there is possibility that from the leak down you might not be able to find out if there were cracks on the motors. To clear it up, I am not blaming Mark at Kinser Racing. My issue is with the seller that he does not want to do anything with this deal. I problem started as when I called Jeff, the seller and told him about the new problems that we had found out and his reply was you got a got deal on the motors and you have lot's of expensive parts in them. My reply was beside what i bought it for or beside what parts were in there, the seller indicated he had ran the motors and they were strong and in good working condition. Good working condition does not mean having two cracked cases. I don't care how good of a stand up person he is or his not, the main issue is he sold two motors which suppose to be working, but they are not usuable. If his a gentelman and a stand up guy, he would have worked this cituation with me and not forwarding me to take a legal action and lying to me and my attorney. As you have seen Jeff has not placed any posting to this issue that has happened, but looks like most of his friends has. Anyone that has purchased an item and they got something totally different, i am sure they have worked something out, but this guy the seller, does not want to do anything with the motors at all.

No you guys tell me what should i had done, or should do now. (Don't forget, we did the leak down as well and the results were about 12%)

:food-smiley-007:

Mike wrote:
While i am waiting to see what's going to happen with the 588 motors, i went and purchased a pair of Paul Pfaff 850's. This should get me as close as to the other motors would have (maybe), without worrying about braking the drives now. Got Max Machien Worx built me one of their drives. I want to thank everyone making a comment in this thread, either possitive or negative. We are all here to help one another.

At one point, it looked like I was the bad guy buying F***ked up motors, but that's OK, I know what I got and the seller knows what he had sold and that's all matters, plus having others in this forum learn about the cituation that could place one in a terrible position.

Mike wrote:
Love the picture, that's what how i was thinking mine would have came out. :Score-101010:


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I am so confused!! They sat or got checked??

Never mind... It don't pertain to me and I shouldn't have posted anything else.. There are always 3 sides to every story!!!

Negotiation here is; We drive down with a pile of cash and a truck make an offer that to us seems reasonable then get out of Dodge with tire squealing and the stuff hooked up to the back the moment the seller says "Yes"....:drink:

Ah GL you must be familiar with the "Art of the Deal" :D

So you think 850's won't break drives???? LOL. You better buy 4 drives.

Actually, the only thing you know is what you were TOLD by your mechanic. All your mechanic knows is what he was TOLD and possibly shown by his machine shop.

Which basicly means WE NO NOTHING !!!!!!

Its always like that ,,,move on and get the motors fixed and be happy how it runs. :ernaehrung004:

Nuff said !

It is funny (to me and myself) that people post comments like this as if this is the "end all-be all" and will stop the thread fire. :D :D

He has spoken....so let it be written!!!:drink:

You mean to tell us you bought these engines for 30 grand? Did I read that correct? Are you ***** en about new engines or used ones. The way you are carrying on is that Jeff took the money from you and did not get anything for that. So what is the problem. Don't buy used if you can't fix it. 30 grand fix them and move along. Did you not hear of cash and carry. Warranty you want what.

Hollow point is the boat they come out of just look them up on You tube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCD65Gfo92E

enjoy.

..............

Cash is King!

And they told me mine came out of Hollowpoint :eek::evilb:



EMPIRE anything been resolved yet ???

I am no rocket scientists (or mechanic either), but early in the thread you say very clearly that your mechanic found a crack AFTER boring the cylinders. How in the world can anybody be held accountable for something AFTER this work was done? I would think that the walls in a 588 would be pretty thin anyway, and proper due diligence would have included checking for cracks. It would certainly seem that it would have made sense to check for cracks BEFORE any machine work was done. I would suggest that it was either the responsibility of you, or whoever you trusted with these engines, to make certain that they were "right" before any machine work was done.

I have made plenty of mistakes myself that has cost me $$$, but I man up and take the beating. In fact, I would be a bit embarrassed getting on here and letting everybody know how foolish it was to start engine work/machining, before checking the blocks. It sucks, but don't drag others down because of a bad decision.

I know Jeff very well and would trust him with anything that I own. He is a standup guy with strong midwest values. I think that one would be very challenged to find anybody that would say that Jeff had done them any wrong. If so, you would have thought that it would have come up by now (kind of like the super chillers did).

I feel for you that you will need to spend more on these motors than what you thought. It is a bummer, it sucks, and it is expensive.

Good luck with your endeavors.

I agree :grinser010:

Last I spoke with the seller, he indicated he had spend all the money, his house is up for forclosure, and his in bad shape, but when i did my investigation, noticed several vehicles, all nice cars, one being a MBZ 600SL, two nice house. Your Answer, nothing has been resolved. My attorny called him as well and his pushing my into the legal system, which i will be taking, unless he comes forward and offter something to keep me happy, or take the motors back

You gotta be friggin kidding me. You buy used motors, send them to a shop which then sends them to an outside machine shop. They get dismantled, then bored and now you want your money back? Good luck with that.

100% agree

I don't know either party but let's assume your description of his financial position is accurate......do you really think suing him will get you anything but a big bill from your own lawyer? Based on your description he owes money all over town and your last on the list to get re-imbursed........I'd spend that money on new blocks instead of a lawyer that wants you to spend it with him instead.

if you are really suing him, why are you on here telling the hole world? why don't you just do it and be done with it, i really don't think it's fair to come on here, and talk all this sh@t about a person, just do what you have to do.:food-smiley-007:

LMAO!!! Actually what he should do Is only buy 2 sets of drives from two different sellers and then once he smokes the first set he can come on OSO and tell the world that he got screwed and demand his money back for the next set that he has already purchased.

He would first have to take the drives to his mechanic who would inturn take them to his drive shop. But eventually he could get an email stating that drives were at their failure point at the time of purchase. He could then threaten the seller and tell him that if he wasn't compensated he would call his attorney.

I agree 100%... Good luck!!! :rolleyes:

I am confused to what any of this matters? I am also very confused on the accuracy of your accusations. I would also guess that your lawyer would have told you not to spread all of your accusations on this open forum, if you have even taken this to one at all. Better yet, take this out of the forum, shut up, and take him to court! The one thing that I can assure you is that the courtroom will be stuffed full of people that have had dealings with him over the years ready to testify. Good luck with your endeavors.



Now, back to those super chillers..........how did that end up working out?

Wow, this may be my first post on here but I just cant let this one go. I have to interject my thoughts which I fully realize mean zip to anybody.

It seems like this engine deal is not the first issue you have had with internet transactions so I tend to believe it's something with you not them.

The people who speak highly of Jeff and his reputation speak the truth.

This guy has built more reliable horsepower by accident than most people have on purpose.

You call yourself an Investigator? Whoop-di-do! Your "facts" are skewed. Don't be so self indulgent, I have ChoicePoint too, big deal.

And finally you want to run that much hp in a 33 Outlaw with" Bravo" drives? :eek:

For what you paid for those engines you got back in parts. Get over it.



I think you're the one thats cracked, not the blocks.


I'll go back to lurking now.

I see your 100% and raise you 100% :ernaehrung004:

Mike wrote:
Love this forum, it's amussing me reading all the different postings. Regarding the Chillers, it was sold to the person on Friday.

Your only recourse here is if the seller knowingly sold defective motors...good luck proving that. How is anybody supposed to know if there is a defect in an engine unless it gets totally broken down? There is inherent risk buying anything that is used, especially a finicky high performance marine engine. Perform due diligence to inspect as much as is reasonable then accept the risk which is what seems that you did, the rest is just back luck. Stop trying to look to others for you misfortunes, that's part of what's wrong with this society.

This guy has built more reliable horsepower by accident than most people have on purpose. ????

I'm trying to understand this , So the seller was a engine bldr ? :cool:

I know Jeff. I have bought stuff from him in the past & never, never had a single issue with anything from him.
I know those engines were in running condition at the Shootout year before last. I was on the dock when the oil was changed in them & they were tuned up before the Skater that the engines were in was ran in the Shootout. They were 100% then. Boat ran 140+mph.
Jeff is Mr. Meticulous. If it was even questionable for condition, it was replaced. He is not one to abuse his toys.
I have a VERY hard time believing your story. Especially since I consider Jeff a friend & given my past EXCELLENT experience in business dealings with him.

Maybe I missed it but have any pictures been shown yet? Seems that would help with the indentification. Not to mention most good engine builders stamp a build code right into the block.

Who are you???? You need to come with more than this he said, she said bull****..... The deck is not in your favor at the moment!!!!!

At the end of the day, any cracks that were found were found AFTER machining was done. Keep in mind that these were at 588 to begin with, so there was not alot of wall thickness there to start with. If the engines were torn down immediately, and if they were magnafluxed immediately, and if they had not passed through three hands (yours, your rigger, your machine guy) first, there might be a chance that there could be an argument. Even then, though, used engines are just that. At this point, how do you even know that one of your guys did not crack the blocks? Because they said so? Maybe you, or an agent of your should have inspected them before you bought them?

Broz
 

Jeff Brozovich's 2001 Super Chevy Nitro Coupe. Photo by James Morgan

Jeff Brozovich launches hard in his Nitro Coupe at Super Chevy's 2001 New England race. Unfortunately the final eliminations for Nitro Coupes were rained out.

What kind of blocks were they to begin with...I mean who was the manufacturer of the block....

:food-smiley-007::food-smiley-007:

Well there you go.....whenever you use gopher blocks they're known to crack around the bottom especially when machined at the 1000 tolerance!!!!!