Px Class
 

OK!!!! Now I am getting really confused with this class. You have your Super Series Classes and you have your Performance Classes. My original understanding of these Performance Classes were for the weekend warrior to come out and race against boats in there speed bracket. Now you have guys building 36ft custom Skaters and so forth and now someone taking last years National Champion in Super Cat and outting Blower motors in it to run in PX. I do not get it!!!!!!! Performance Classes seem to be turning in a bad direction. How about no boats in these classes that were built in the 21st century(2000 and beyond) Seems to me like Performance Class is becoming a real worst enemy to trying to keep other classes from growing. Some sort of control needs to be taken in these classes.
Just my opinion!!!! I would love to here form others on this subject!!!!!! Feel free to post your opinions!!!!!
:D

I agree on most of your thread but call Mike A. first. or e-mail him to get the answer..
By the way I own 2000 and I have problems no canopies etc..
Too Fast for APBA in P or Super Cat Lite O/B

Doug
Your boat is legal in SC lite twin and P1 class in APBA what is the problem?

I agree with DPT Motorsports; it seems the P Classes(particularly PX) could hinder the growth of some of the Super or Factory Classes.Why would anyone want to spend a ton of money to race in P Class?It seems some teams are content to step down to the P Classes even when they have boats that are legal, or could be made legal, for a standardized class.This should be be regulated in some way because the Pro Series Classes need all the boats they can get!Does anyone know if there are plans in the future to streamline the class structure?

Ryan,
Per Andrew Corn at the worlds 2001 They would not allow any new SC Lite O/B in without canopies. Since I switched to 2.5's I'll have to run P-1 we don't stand a chance in that class to be competitive.
Now thats my Problem Ryan

PX class was formed at the 2000 worlds because of 2 race boats that wanted to race, since all of the P1's at the time where basically high HP pleasure boats. Except for "Rock It" thats just one fast Cat killer Vee Hull running PX Vee Hull.

i believe you answered your own question as to why we have Px class. that person that sank a million $$$ into his boat still has more money to spend, so on goes the show. i personally think, they should build a boat for super cat , but hey its thier money and thier name in the record books.

Ryan are you doing the sarasota poker run or st.cloud race??

emotion
Your boat IS legal for SC lite twin I have spoken to Milklos about this an am 99% sure your boat is legal. P1 class is for boats that run 100-110 your boat would also fit nicely into this class.
Pete
I will be at St Cloud cutting Vinyl and racing my 24. Hope to see you there.

Ryan,
Get the rule book out and look at page 119 Non-Conforming boats. At the 2001 worlds I was told a flat no about my boat ,after rerigging to 2.5's. After that I made no attempt to get ready for the 2002 season. Now the rules state I have to race the 1st race (which has changed in the rules form Nov.2001)we are not ready so that's it. We had all intentions to compete on the SC Lite level and step out of the P class. So the team will be moving to SBI when and if the time is right. Or hope to get rich overnight.
Doug eMotion Racing

Mike C.
You might have misunderstood me or I did not clarify what I was actually pointing out properly. What I am saying is that it is starting to happen where people are building NEW boats for P-Class. Please do not get me wrong. I support P-class but just feel it could be governed a little bit better. Great to see some old raceboats coming out of moth balls to race. Great idea but it has become a double edge sword in some instances, not all. First bad instance: Drambuie on Ice 39 MTI sold for PX class for 2002. Someone putting Blowers in it to race in P-Class. Hello this boat is still extremely competitive in Super Cat. Second instance: You have FACTORY 1 boats stepping down to P class because the are tired of runnig mid pack and want to win so they hop on over to P-Class where there may be only 5 boats in that class at a race. They place 1st,2nd,or 3rd. and now they feel beter than really racing against a larger fleet in FACTORY ONE. Not trying to bash anyone but you can see it happening. By not properly controling this I just feel it takes away from the growth of the Factory Classes and Super Series Classes. Just something I feel should be looked at a litle better thats all. Please do not take this as a bashing of Performance Classes. Just pointing out some ideas I may be able to share. Fan and Racer input should always be listened to. It will only help better our SPORT. If I am wrong then fine. Just using my First Ammendment Rights!!!!!:D

Saw the typo mistake I made on the first Post. SORRY ABOUT THAT!!!!!!!
Only boats that were built in 1999 and prior unless it is a true pleasure boat of course. 2000 and forward should race in Factory and Super Series Classes.

If they can't win in your class find a P class to win in .:eek: :eek: :eek: :p

I bought a NEW PLEASURE boat of the year 2000.. Sorry You can't race your boat because it's newer than mine... Get real Shock Wave dude,.,.,.,::p :cool: :rolleyes: :mad: :confused:

Doug , PX classes were initiated at st. pete because some people with retired canopy raceboats(with speeds well over 110 mph) wanted to come out and flex their muscles. You know big fish in the little pond syndrome any how the 100 mph cap on the P- classes went out the window. The exception to the canopy boats was "RockIt" and that boat was EXTREMELY impressive for a real pleasure boat. Doug, you and many others have experienced what the P-Classes were intended for and that was for a wanabee boatracer to get the chance to get out there and prove to himself and other that you've got what it takes and that boatracing is something that you might want to make a significant investment in. After all not everyone likes running at top speed for 45 min. to 1 hour. Most people are boat drag racers you know hit top speed for a minute or two back off and cruise, which is great if that what you like. IT TAKES A SPECIAL TYPE OF PERSON TO GO AT TOP SPEED AN ENTIRE RACE. APBA offshore had a perfect tool in the P- classes to find these people and convert them from pleasure boaters to boat racers that is till they F'ed it all up!!!



Ryan , Dougs boat is legal in super cat light outboard, if we would have registered it last year. Now if Milklos makes an exception that would be great, NOW IF YOU WOULD BE SO KIND ASK HIM IF THEY WILL PAY THE FIRST,SECOND AND THIRD PLACE PRIZE MONEY FOR OUR CLASS! See what kind of answer that you get. If were are going to race for free and take the chance of hurting the boat or the crew , hell we want to race you off tampa bay for a beer and hot dog its more fun and a whole lot less aggrivating. Oh and it won't cost $10,000 a year hot dogs and beer are cheap!!

Dennis and all. The biggest problem with P class is that there is NO PRIZE MONEY! It's just for fun. That's the weirdest thing about people spending all this money to race these classes. I think it's great that SBI is offering prize money for these classes BUT the entry fee is $500.00 bucks and you still probably have to have 5 boats to get paid.

entry is $500 !!!!!!!!!!!!

:mad:

Interesting subject. I certainly don't have all the aswers but here are my 2 cents.

I thought that P class racing was a catch all for boats that don't fit into a National Class. Such as A and B class race boats built to the old rules or a 25' cat with a procharged 502.

I would think that any boat that fits into a National Class should be made to run in that class. No hunting for a flag!

As for the guys running blown Superboats, they should race with SBI in the Superboat class as APBA banned these boats a few years back. Now they rename the class PX??? And once again we see one or two boats in a class. What is up with that?? I guess if I had the money to burn then I might ...nah, too fast.

If the racers want shorter races then they should run in divisional events. Or race a smaller boat.

On the flip side, the santioning body is basically being paid to set up a safe and secure race course so that anyone who wants to pay to race can do so as long as they meet the safety requirements.

I guess if the racers and the sanctioning bodies are happy then who are we as the fans to *****?

If I had my way there would only be 4 national classes. The rest run divisional races. In my world if someone wanted to run in the main event then they would need to build a boat for the class.
This is the only way this sport will ever become a major motorsport. I just don't think anyone is willing to bite the bullet to make major changes that is sure to piss off a lot of racers (read customers) in favor of a long term strategy.

Actually when APBA LLC got started they came out with a set of rules that had only 8 (ONLY 8!) classes. Now they have like 14 or 16 classes??? That's OK, they just shouldn't be at the same venues. Maybe the idea is to get 100 boats at a race even thought most classes have less than 5 boats.

Like I said, waddaIknow? Maybe they are doing the right thing. I guess it all depends on the final goal that you are trying to reach.

The question is "What is that goal?"

Doug hope its here in the morning.

Quote from RonP,"If the racers want shorter races then they should run in divisional
events. Or race a smaller boat." I have one for sale...:D :D :D I think it may qualify for P5:confused: :confused: :confused: ;)

Ok! Ok! Too much to handle?:D Then consider this one!;)

Yes!!!! Definately Consider SHOCKWAVE!!!!!!!!
Owner is needing this boat sold !!!!!
Reasonable offers that is.
Give Rich Troppoli a call for a great deal on this spotless boat!!!
I mean Spotless!!!
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Ryan,
That boat wreck must have F your head up Mr. Know It All. APBA will not payout any money out to P class even if there is 500 boats in the class.
At least SBI will on 5 boats.
APBA's is also $500 entry fee also for P Class (READ THE F'IN RULE BOOK Know It All).

What is your problem you use to be a good guy, you wreck a boat in pleasure use NOW you know everything about boat racing
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Just my observation, A guy that read's rule BOOKS

What's up with that Boy?? Any answers Fastcat??:confused: :confused: :o :p :confused:

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Where did that come from, I don't even know you. I just checked out the race packet for Daytona APBA it says it's $400.00 to enter P class. You make it sound like I am anti SBI which I am not I support ALL OFFSHORE RACING. I will probably run some SBI races later in the year. I applaud SBI for offering prize money to these classes. I wish APBA would the pay prize money to the P classes. P classes are some of APBA's biggest classes. I was told that they are going to offer prize money to P class at sometime during the year. APBA also has a deal with SDART for SOME contingency money to boats in the P class that my they proper critera. YES I crashed my boat while pleasuring it , I feel terrible about it because my good frien BC is still injured. I will race my boat again in St Cloud what are you racing catattack? Who are you?

my thoughts on P class is that it is a entry level or older race boat class.If someone is leaving say F-1 with a boat that isnt winning to win a flag in P class that is wrong but no one likes losing.they should put full race boats in the next class higher regardless of top speed.A 80mph pleasure boat CANT beat a 80mph race boat.
As far as prize money step up and race in a factory class and take your chances with the rest of us.P class entry money is for your own safty to have rescue crews and races to go to.If you take any more prize money from the pro classes they will have no incentive to race.How would you like all the pro guys to drop to P class to win some easy money.Talk about some yelling.
Remember P class isint the main show,Its a place to race,have fun,get experiance,meet good people and have rules to please the bulk of boats that said they have no place to race.
Randy

Now I know why it's called P class. :D The P stands for POKERRUN/PLEASURE boats.;)

Thank you Randy. That makes sense. P-class is a great place to get started and decide if you want to get into boat racing more heavily.

prize money
 

my opinion if you have 5 or more boats in class, i dont think it would break the bank to give the winner in class,5 ben franks,
it helps in deferring some of the cost. those that race know fuel that must be bought can range from 3.50 a gallon up to 5 a gallon. some teams onlyrace in races close to home. f-1 teams should be raceing entire national curcuit, and without deep pockets or great sponsors where would they be. all levels of stock car racing gives money thats one of the reason it is so popular and easy to get in. evryone on this board has a opinion
and not all are the same. personal attacks towards individuals over opinions should be privately done. if you cant resolve meet and put the gloves on. but a war of words means really nothing and distracts for the subjects at hand. hope you all enjoy your holiday how ever you celebrate.:cool:

I think you guys are missing something about P class. It is a test bed for racers, and equipment. New equipment that is not yet approved in other classes can be tested and proven in the P class. Also racers can get the seat time needed befor they jump into bigger classes.
Note teams like How Sweat It Is will frequently run the Sat. P race and come back Sun. to run their class. These guys obviously use the opportunity to dial themselfs and the boat in. Practice make perfect and the owner of Eliminator Boats didn't get there over night.:cool:

If someone wants to pump money into sponsoring a boat in PX or P anything, we should let them help build the sport.

The only other thing I would like to point out is that the rules should state what P class a boat would fall into coming from another class. If F1 kilo records state 89mph then F1 boats should be 80 to 90 mph in P class, and so on. Keep it simple.


Dave
P5-4

I agree with Ron P and Typhoon.The P Classes should be the entry level of the sport; I feel that no prize money or TV exposure should be given to these classes.I also agree that some thought should be given to reducing the number of Pro Series Classes maybe to four or five.This would make the sport easier to follow for the fans, increasing sponsorship opportunities and television coverage,resulting in higher race purses and point funds!With fewer classes, the pay outs per class would be higher which attract more boats to each class improving the level of competition and the overall appeal of the sport!Look at NHRA, they have alot of classes, but they have been very successful in the marketing of the Pro Classes(Top Fuel, Funny Car and Pro-Stock); most people dont even know that national drag race events draw hundreds of cars in many different classes.Just a thought, and only my opinion.