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RICHARD CUNY 05-04-2009 04:58 PM

Nothcing The Transom At The Botton
 
Has Anyone Notched The Transom At The Bottom To Get A More Stable Ride At High Speed On Older Hulls.
I Here Someone Is Doing This In Long Island Ny Any Input
Rich Cuny

mikebrls 05-04-2009 05:09 PM


Originally Posted by RICHARD CUNY (Post 2858749)
Has Anyone Notched The Transom At The Bottom To Get A More Stable Ride At High Speed On Older Hulls.
I Here Someone Is Doing This In Long Island Ny Any Input
Rich Cuny

i dont think it will make the ride more stable if anything it mite make it worse if the boat wasnt desighined for it . i now of one boat builder that put a notch in the transom of a 35 foot boat then after running the boat they stoped doing it , your going to loose the last 1 foot of running surface ,,

i would think you should try extension box's to put the prop's in cleaner water and you mite gain a few mph .

just my thought's

mike

AppSysCons 05-04-2009 05:10 PM


Originally Posted by RICHARD CUNY (Post 2858749)
Has Anyone Notched The Transom At The Bottom To Get A More Stable Ride At High Speed On Older Hulls.
I Here Someone Is Doing This In Long Island Ny Any Input
Rich Cuny

From a purely engineering point of view, generally speaking, the notch does very little to change stability. What it does do, is change the hydrodynamic flow of the water behind the boat, allowing for higher X-dimensions (prop shaft heights), which in turn reduces drag, and allows use of modern hi-perf props.

This can be especially useful in bravo boats.

DareDevil 05-04-2009 05:11 PM


Originally Posted by mikebrls (Post 2858763)
i dont think it will make the ride more stable if anything it mite make it worse if the boat wasnt desighined for it . i now of one boat builder that put a notch in the transom of a 35 foot boat then after running the boat they stoped doing it , your going to loose the last 1 foot of running surface ,,

i would think you should try extension box's to put the prop's in cleaner water and you mite gain a few mph .

just my thought's

mike

Thats exactly what a notch is ,,,a built in extension box !!!!!
On some boats it works and on some it dont !!

What boat is it that your looking to do this ????

lightspeed 05-04-2009 05:49 PM

Raybo In Lindenhurst LI Has Been Doing This On Alot Of Older 21 Superboats For Better Handling At High Speeds And Yes It Does Work

carcrash 05-04-2009 06:06 PM

Notches do work, of course: Reggie has been using them for years and everyone knows -- seriously -- that his boats win.

There is a significant body of hydrodynamic science that backs up the concept of notches.

As you go faster, the boat needs less bottom to support the weight of the boat. Therefore, the faster you go, the part of the boat in the water gets smaller and smaller, shorter and shorter, closer and closer to the transom.

The center of lift on a planing bottom is very close to the leading edge: the pressure is highest (pushes up with the most force) within an inch or so of where the bottom hits water, and the pressure then decreases rapidly, and then gradually diminishes to almost nothing at the transom. This is true no matter how short the bottom is.

When the boat is going fast enough, the center of gravity is in front of the point where the hull enters the water. Obviously this does not work, so the bow drops. This leads to porpoising: the bow lifts, drops, lifts, ...

By adding a notch, you are moving the transom forward just for this high speed domain. You can get the forward edge of the wetted surface forward of the CG, then you've got a stable boat again.

Everything Reggie does on bottom design is very well rooted in hydrodynamic science.

So the closer you make your boat's bottom mimic a Fountain, the better off you are.

DKerns 05-04-2009 06:25 PM


Originally Posted by carcrash (Post 2858799)
Notches do work, of course: Reggie has been using them for years and everyone knows -- seriously -- that his boats win.

There is a significant body of hydrodynamic science that backs up the concept of notches.

As you go faster, the boat needs less bottom to support the weight of the boat. Therefore, the faster you go, the part of the boat in the water gets smaller and smaller, shorter and shorter, closer and closer to the transom.

The center of lift on a planing bottom is very close to the leading edge: the pressure is highest (pushes up with the most force) within an inch or so of where the bottom hits water, and the pressure then decreases rapidly, and then gradually diminishes to almost nothing at the transom. This is true no matter how short the bottom is.

When the boat is going fast enough, the center of gravity is in front of the point where the hull enters the water. Obviously this does not work, so the bow drops. This leads to porpoising: the bow lifts, drops, lifts, ...

By adding a notch, you are moving the transom forward just for this high speed domain. You can get the forward edge of the wetted surface forward of the CG, then you've got a stable boat again.

Everything Reggie does on bottom design is very well rooted in hydrodynamic science.

So the closer you make your boat's bottom mimic a Fountain, the better off you are.





Hope Reggie paid you for that advertisement............He wasn't the first to notch a transom or add a pad!! :party-smiley-004:

I will let it go at that......................

rchevelle71 05-04-2009 07:24 PM

It certainly works better than notching them at the top:party-smiley-004:

myscarab30 05-04-2009 07:37 PM


Originally Posted by DKerns (Post 2858813)
Hope Reggie paid you for that advertisement............He wasn't the first to notch a transom or add a pad!! :party-smiley-004:

I will let it go at that......................

Bill Farmer comes to mind :rolleyes:

Wahoo ATV 05-04-2009 08:05 PM


Originally Posted by DKerns (Post 2858813)
Hope Reggie paid you for that advertisement............He wasn't the first to notch a transom or add a pad!! :party-smiley-004:

I will let it go at that......................

Might be true, but he does it better than anyone else.


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