Where did the 40 Hustler start ?????...
 

What mold was the 40 started off of.. or was it a stretched 32... or a shortened 50...How does the boat ride in the ruff stuff... thanks JEFF

Stretched and proportioned 32 Hustler which that boat was taken from a Signature hull

Rides nice in the rough stuff. Had ours on Lake Michigan for 3 years and loved it. Mine had mild power, but handled nice with no funny issues.

The 40 Hustler is what a 37 Outerlimits is

The 40 is not a stretched 32. It was an all new Fiore design. It was Hustler's 1st stepped hull, unlike the 32 which is a traditional deep V with a notched transom.

Incorrect.... Paul Fiore with the help of Mark Shneff of Activator went out to design a new 40. They started with the 32 hull and actually bolted the rear 8' of another 32 together. Since the front section of the rear 8' was too wide to fasten to the transom of the 32' they slid it up to the wider part of the transom where it would fit and got the step by accident. They threw a couple of outboards on the hull with no deck and went and tested it and were impressed with what they came up with and how well it performed. That in a nut shell is how and where the 40 came from and the beginning of the step hull.

Correct.I talked to Mark Shneff this morning

Several years ago I had the great pleasure of riding in an OSO member's 40 with trip 650s. We were on Lake Lewisville north of Dallas. It was in October and a norther had hit early. The wind was blowing 30-35mph and the lake was whipped up to 3-4s. We ran over 100 in that stuff and the boat never did anything wrong.

This was the first big V I had ridden in and I never felt uncomfortable at any time. The weight of the boat(12,000lbs per the owner) made a big difference in crushing the swells. The gunnel height was almost at my shoulder level when I stood, giving me a very secure feel at all times.

Great boat, would love to own one like it.

Church?

You guys are all wrong it started in a fiberglass shop!!!:lolhit:

Are we reffering to the 40 Fiore? I looked at one a few years ago, alot of boat. Big cabin with lots of head room.

Sorry, but taking (2) 1/2's and throwing in a step doesn't constitute simply stretching the 32!

Not what I said, try reading it again.

looking and comparing the 37 OL vs the 40 Hustler.. they appear rather similar in bottom design.. with the exception of the deck being taller on the Hustler. Anyone ride in both and can give a comparison.

I have ridden both and I'd go with OL hands down for both looks and ride quality... the 40' huster I've ridden in multiple times had 3 engines with approx. 600 hp on extension boxes, the boat ran 88 mph. The 37' OL's I've ridden in and driven had between 500 hp and 860 hp, speeds ranging from 75 - 103 mph.

The Huster porpoised bad with props spinning in or out.... We nick-named the boat "the bobber". The Ol's were solid as a rock.

Big cabin in the Husler though!

any questions let me know...

Yes, the orginal 37 OL was a cut down 40 Hustler

Is the CG ahead of the step or in rear of it?

Most stepped hull have the CG in the middle of the first step (from front of boat on a two stepped boat). Thus, the CG is behind the frontmost step edge.

8ft of 40ft equals 20% of length for the step. then you have the variables of twin or tripples.

I've seen a 40 fiore on st. clair(twins on speedmaster 6's), and it's awesome in its size. I always wondered how it handled.

It sounds like it was "designed" by accident.

"Designed by accident" or not, the one I rode in had no handling issues that I could see or feel. Maybe in flat water it porpoised, but not in the 3-4s we were in that day.

The 37 OL has nothing to do with the 40 hustler, the bottoms are completely different. The 37 was designed by Mike Fiore, it is not a modified 40 hustler.

The original 37 Mike built was a cut down 40 with the same bottom, not until he developed the quad step did he change the bottom. Ask Mike or just look, pretty simple to see.

I did ask Mike and Paul, both of which know how the 37 OL was built. The boat is NOT a modified 40 Hustler. Obviously Mike grew up at Hustler, so there were similarities, however the bottom geometry and step design / location is unique to the 37 OL.

Designed by accident or not, it was out years before reggie invented the stepped hull.

That is awesome, you just never know until you try it. I'm sure they had no idea what they " stumbled " on. It reminds me of all the old stories my Grandfather ( God rest his soul ) used to tell me. "A guy was walking home from school, 22 miles of course, and he twisted his ankle and used a coffee cup to keep it in place for the rest of the walk, and that's how the came up with the ace bandage". You just never know, and I am very impressed that you guys knew the history of this

You obviously did not read animalhouse's last post.

animalhouse is only denying how the 37 OL design started, not how the 40 Hustler started. The 40 start is Fact as I posted and I guess Mike changed his story from when he started OL of where the 37 came from. Not going to argue this point anymore.

jass
do yourself a favor and take a serious look at the 40
the ride and handling are terrific and the freeboard and headroom are great.
I have been on a triple 40 numerous times and to this day I still say it is my favorite.
The 40 and 37 OL were spawned off the 32 . Bottoms and design may have changed but if you look at the bow to the faring you can see a big similarity in the lines of all 3.
The 40 IS the first stepped hull that everyone on copied and Hustler developed.
Plus Paul and Mike were there at the beginning.
C

I'm looking at 3 37's at the moment.. The 40 in the classifieds is too much for a project at this point, but looks awesome, everything has been redone except paint and drives.. then I have to look at re-sale.. and it is easier to sell the OL. Thanks. Jeff

WRONG.

Hustler did not invent anything regarding stepped hulls. Stepped hulls were invented in the 1800's, and all speed records set by planning hulls prior to 1922 used stepped hulls, as did nearly all records thereafter. In most cases, records with non-stepped hulls only happened when there were explicit rules forbidding stepped hulls. 1930. The term "hydroplane" prior to 1960 or so, where it became connected to the three-point hydro, generally meant a stepped hull.

A US fellow living in France patented the stepped hull in about 1907, but the patent mentioned multiple steps. Such hulls were called "fast steppers" or "shingled hydroplanes."

The term "shingled" came from the fact that the steps were often introduced by adding wedges to the bottom of an otherwise warped bottom. But many, and perhaps most, were constructed with explicit steps in the structure.

Apparently, the first single step hull was build by Christopher Columbus Smith (who later started Chris Craft) in 1917 for Gar Wood. It was named MISS DETROIT III. Here is a picture of that boat, in a museum today:

http://www.vintageraceboatshop.com/i...I/P1050020.JPG

The problem with stepped bottom boats, build at the time from wood, were structural: they often broke up at speed.

Therefore, the rules for the Gold Cup races were changed in the 1920's to disallow stepped bottom hulls. The first non-step bottom boat to win the Gold Cup was that most beautiful Baby Bootlegger. But it actually finished second in the race to another Crouch design that had a shingled bottom that was a "cheater" in that while steps and shingles were outlawed, boats could be lapstrake, so Crouch just turned the lapstrakes at an extreme angle, to effectively have lots of angled steps. After the race, the officials disqualified the faster boat.

So it was always known that stepped hulls were faster.

About 1930, the Gold Cup rules were again changed, to again allow stepped and shingled bottoms. Many of the fastest boats of the 20's were retrofitted with shingles and became substantially faster, if, in many cases, poor handling leaping monsters.

Stepped offshore deep vee bottoms were common in the 40s and 50s. Here is an example of an Italian deep vee offshore racing beast from the early post-war years:

Oops, I don't see a way to post a picture. Its a good one.

Anyway, the fact that many people simply forgot that such stepped hulls were common, is not a reason to imagine that anyone alive today invented them.

There are many museums with ancient stepped hull powerboats, and many books with extensive discussions, and much work done by NACA in the 1920s and 1930s on stepped hulls.

In fact, those famous PT Boats originally had stepped hulls. The later US built ones did not, because gas was cheap for the USA (only), and the non-stepped hulls were stronger.

High speed planning navy boats of all major WW2 combatants (including England, Italy, Germany, Russia, and Japan) had single step bottoms, and a few had multiple step bottoms.