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Originally Posted by VtSteve
(Post 2967256)
Hard to say what happened in this one. But the owner of Hustler that sold him the boat, said it was a diesel model with a top end in the 60's. I think the 150 mph figure was a misprint or error in the news. He sounded like a pretty responsible guy, so who knows? Accidents actually really happen.
Edit, quoted from article "Frohnhoefer said the speedboat that crashed was built for racing. Hustler, the Calverton, N.Y.-based company that built the boat, has a model capable of reaching speeds over 150 mph." |
I grew up boating in that exact area , that marsh was part of what we called "the four corners". Had a few nieghbors who ran high and dry in that area in a fog, didnt hit the marsh, but at a regular high tide, you get close before you hit the mud. One of the problems over there was that there was a decent sized gap betwen the red buoy before the south side of the marsh and the next red buoy to the north side of the marsh, and there was no buoy in front of the marsh. They may have dropped another one in since last time I was in that area several years ago, but I remember having marked on a chart to stay left towards the green bouys when coming home at night.
if it wasnt a health failure, mechanical failure and alchohol wasnt involved, then I subscribe to my friends theory that he was probably racing home trying to beat the sun going down, misread the buoys and marshes (there are two marshes there with a cut between them that you can head through at high tide and avoid a 5 mph zone), turned to soon, didnt realize it till it was too late and went up on the marsh. |
Originally Posted by elvisali
(Post 2967291)
I grew up boating in that exact area , that marsh was part of what we called "the four corners". Had a few neighbors who ran high and dry in that area in a fog, didn't hit the marsh, but at a regular high tide, you get close before you hit the mud. One of the problems over there was that there was a decent sized gap between the red buoy before the south side of the marsh and the next red buoy to the north side of the marsh, and there was no buoy in front of the marsh. They may have dropped another one in since last time I was in that area several years ago, but I remember having marked on a chart to stay left towards the green buoys when coming home at night.
if it wasn't a health failure, mechanical failure and alcohol wasn't involved, then I subscribe to my friends theory that he was probably racing home trying to beat the sun going down, misread the buoys and marshes (there are two marshes there with a cut between them that you can head through at high tide and avoid a 5 mph zone), turned to soon, didn't realize it till it was too late and went up on the marsh. |
Boating must remain fun and not Deadly!!
Very sad and condolences to the families and all involved and our prayers for a good and speedy recovery for those injured!
Being a diesel and in this kind of confusing waterway at night means this could have been any deep v-hull cruiser or otherwise doing 50-60 mph- if it hits a mud bottom at those speeds and there most likely would have been serious injuries and perhaps deaths in any boat of size at those speeds in that area. Lets not blame performance boating here on this type of tragic accident. It just points out though that driver error was most likely the cause and that should speak volumes to all of us that when boating especially as the driver with passengers that the responsibility to navigate safely any any speed is the responsibility of the boat owner/skipper and should never be done carelessly or irresponsibly! Never, Never, Never risk you or your passengers by boating carelessly or irresponsibly!! The results can be Tragic!! Best Regards, Ray @ Raylar |
Originally Posted by Strip Poker 388
(Post 2967316)
Isn't marsh mud and weeds? not like hitting a solid object. I would think that would be a gradual stop?
Sad nonetheless |
Originally Posted by Strip Poker 388
(Post 2967316)
Isn't marsh mud and weeds? not like hitting a solid object. I would think that would be a gradual stop?
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Remember that it was full moon the other night. Tides are really low during full moon and on either side of.
As for the sensationalism in the media; it pisses me off. That's like having an accident in a Chevy Cobalt, and the media putting in the article that the Chevy Corvette ZR1 is capable of 200mph--stupid and senseless. |
Originally Posted by bert4332
(Post 2967268)
My theory is the same, he had a seizure, slumped on the throttle and rammed the marsh. It's just a theory, I'm gonna give the guy the benefit of the doubt until the Popo's findings, especially given the quote from Hustler. The are a few survivors but who knows if they were paying attention to say what happened. Just plain suxs :-(
Yep, none of us were there, so it's hard to really tell. It's all speculation and I certainly don't want to case dispersion on the deceased or his passengers. Reading more recently, it seems he was an experienced and safe boater with local knowledge. So the latter theory is certainly more possible. I've investigated upteen hundred auto crashes and a few boat crashes. I'm certainly for leaving the findings up to the locals that have the evidence. |
Originally Posted by elvisali
(Post 2967357)
On a real high tide(at least years ago), you could run right up to the marsh and not hit mud under the right conditions. I have seen some high tides were large parts of that marsh were covered in water, so I would think thats would might have happened here, If there is no buoy still in front of that marsh and you were to draw a straight line between the two that existed years ago, I think the line would cross right in front of the tip of the marsh. Again, its been a few years, but thats how I remember it being around there
At this point, its all speculation. The tragedies are the facts. Lets hope the rest of us can learn something here. |
Originally Posted by Strip Poker 388
(Post 2967316)
Isn't marsh mud and weeds? not like hitting a solid object. I would think that would be a gradual stop?
Marsh can also include trees and other obstructions. I run a rescue airboat and we run marsh and dry ground regularly both in training and on missions. When running marsh, you have to watch "the green stuff" or you stand a good chance of either coming to an abrubt stop, or flipping your boat:eek: And this in a boat designed for that type of terrain. Considering the design of the boat and any speed involved, combined with the previous post on hitting mud with a V bottomed boat, it's not at all uncommon to see people ejected or thrown to the deck, into bulkheads, etc, rather violently, even at low speed:( |
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