Long Island Boating accident tonight:2 dead
10-06-2009, 12:48 AM
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Boating must remain fun and not Deadly!!
Very sad and condolences to the families and all involved and our prayers for a good and speedy recovery for those injured!
Being a diesel and in this kind of confusing waterway at night means this could have been any deep v-hull cruiser or otherwise doing 50-60 mph- if it hits a mud bottom at those speeds and there most likely would have been serious injuries and perhaps deaths in any boat of size at those speeds in that area.
Lets not blame performance boating here on this type of tragic accident.
It just points out though that driver error was most likely the cause and that should speak volumes to all of us that when boating especially as the driver with passengers that the responsibility to navigate safely any any speed is the responsibility of the boat owner/skipper and should never be done carelessly or irresponsibly!
Never, Never, Never risk you or your passengers by boating carelessly or irresponsibly!! The results can be Tragic!!
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Ray @ Raylar
Being a diesel and in this kind of confusing waterway at night means this could have been any deep v-hull cruiser or otherwise doing 50-60 mph- if it hits a mud bottom at those speeds and there most likely would have been serious injuries and perhaps deaths in any boat of size at those speeds in that area.
Lets not blame performance boating here on this type of tragic accident.
It just points out though that driver error was most likely the cause and that should speak volumes to all of us that when boating especially as the driver with passengers that the responsibility to navigate safely any any speed is the responsibility of the boat owner/skipper and should never be done carelessly or irresponsibly!
Never, Never, Never risk you or your passengers by boating carelessly or irresponsibly!! The results can be Tragic!!
Best Regards,
Ray @ Raylar
10-06-2009, 06:08 AM
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Sad nonetheless
10-06-2009, 06:15 AM
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On a real high tide(at least years ago), you could run right up to the marsh and not hit mud under the right conditions. I have seen some high tides were large parts of that marsh were covered in water, so I would think thats would might have happened here, If there is no buoy still in front of that marsh and you were to draw a straight line between the two that existed years ago, I think the line would cross right in front of the tip of the marsh. Again, its been a few years, but thats how I remember it being around there
10-06-2009, 07:07 AM
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Remember that it was full moon the other night. Tides are really low during full moon and on either side of.
As for the sensationalism in the media; it pisses me off. That's like having an accident in a Chevy Cobalt, and the media putting in the article that the Chevy Corvette ZR1 is capable of 200mph--stupid and senseless.
As for the sensationalism in the media; it pisses me off. That's like having an accident in a Chevy Cobalt, and the media putting in the article that the Chevy Corvette ZR1 is capable of 200mph--stupid and senseless.
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10-06-2009, 07:43 AM
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My theory is the same, he had a seizure, slumped on the throttle and rammed the marsh. It's just a theory, I'm gonna give the guy the benefit of the doubt until the Popo's findings, especially given the quote from Hustler. The are a few survivors but who knows if they were paying attention to say what happened. Just plain suxs :-(
Yep, none of us were there, so it's hard to really tell. It's all speculation and I certainly don't want to case dispersion on the deceased or his passengers.
Reading more recently, it seems he was an experienced and safe boater with local knowledge. So the latter theory is certainly more possible.
I've investigated upteen hundred auto crashes and a few boat crashes.
I'm certainly for leaving the findings up to the locals that have the evidence.
10-06-2009, 07:46 AM
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On a real high tide(at least years ago), you could run right up to the marsh and not hit mud under the right conditions. I have seen some high tides were large parts of that marsh were covered in water, so I would think thats would might have happened here, If there is no buoy still in front of that marsh and you were to draw a straight line between the two that existed years ago, I think the line would cross right in front of the tip of the marsh. Again, its been a few years, but thats how I remember it being around there
At this point, its all speculation. The tragedies are the facts. Lets hope the rest of us can learn something here.
10-06-2009, 07:56 AM
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Marsh can also include trees and other obstructions.
I run a rescue airboat and we run marsh and dry ground regularly both in training and on missions.
When running marsh, you have to watch "the green stuff" or you stand a good chance of either coming to an abrubt stop, or flipping your boat
And this in a boat designed for that type of terrain.Considering the design of the boat and any speed involved, combined with the previous post on hitting mud with a V bottomed boat, it's not at all uncommon to see people ejected or thrown to the deck, into bulkheads, etc, rather violently, even at low speed
10-06-2009, 08:03 AM
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I boat there all the time. You are 100% correct about the possibility of navigating on a straight line betwen 2 bouys, causing you to run aground in a hurry. This scenario is possible in too many spots to even begin to list on the South Shore. Instead of boarding me every few months, the DEC, Coast Guard, Nassau or Suffolk P.D., etc... really needs to get their act together and move or add some bouys in those narrow channels.
At this point, its all speculation. The tragedies are the facts. Lets hope the rest of us can learn something here.
At this point, its all speculation. The tragedies are the facts. Lets hope the rest of us can learn something here.
Such a shame, I can only offer my condlences again to the families. A guy I work with knows one of the people who passed away (old neighbor of his), said he was just all around good guy
10-06-2009, 12:32 PM
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This just sucks...a terrible shame when anyone dies in a crash no matter how it happens. My condolences to anyone involved. Trying to avoid things like this is when I depend on re-tracing my GPS line in the dark..at lower speeds in my case.
