this really pisses me off - new BS law
 

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this is complete bullshhitt . whats next , is someone from the government goanna hold my had evereytime I cross the street

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Beginning November 1, 2009, Section 40, Subdivision 1 of the New York State Navigation Law shall be amended by adding new paragraph (e), which reads as follows:

No owner or operator of a pleasure vessel less than twenty-one feet, including rowboats, canoes, and kayaks shall permit its operation, between November first and May first, unless each person on board such vessel is wearing a securely fastened United States Coast Guard approved wearable personal flotation device of an appropriate size when such vessel is underway.

Failure to wear a lifejacket on such vessels will be considered a violation under Section 73-c if the Navigation Law and is punishable by a fine of not less than $100 nor more than $250, applicable to either the operator and/or the owner of the vessel.

Information provided by:

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Boating and Personal Watercraft Education and Certification
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I agree with the law. Small boats are easy to capsize. Think of it like wearing your seat belt in your vehicle.

Me too. Very easy to upset a little boat like that.

So, your 20 mako CC is easy to upset as well?

GDM is right, when is it going to stop, just another assualt on freedoms.

I'm sorry, too many people like you two guys think it's OK if it saves a life, doesn't put a child in danger or offend someone - this law offends my intelligence so who is lobbing for my rights not to be offended?

When will we have a federal law mandating helmets for motorcycles - please ask your congressman to start pushing that.

I'm sorry bad things happen to good people sometimes and just because it does, doesn't give these elected people the authority to control our lives and make our dicessions for us - or does it?

Let me ask all of you question, why did you put the elected officals we have in office - I bet not one of you wanted them there so they could pass laws to protect us from ourselves - you wanted them there to make your life better, work with eductating our children, fix our roads, get bad people off our streets, etc.

I know that all sounds idealistic but for the most part they are not there to hold our hand & pick us up everytime we do something stupid - we're letting them go to far and not enough people want to step-up and stop them.

Sorry, but when you live in this NJ/NY area you see too much of this ridiculousness everyday!

I wish I had the reosurces to step up and do something - but I don't?

Just an extension of the seatbelt laws. It's not great but the idiots are out there in their small dingy's, no experiance and falling into the water. Makes it easier to find the bodies. Who cares from Nov. to May? Just buy a boat 20'6"

I wear my seat belt, have my helmet on when on a motorcycle and also wear a PFD when underway. Why? Because I want to. I think the laws making us do these things are not right. It should be up to me. I hate the Idea that a law makes me do any of these things. It should be my choice. I am with Habanajoe 100% on this. We don't need any laws tell us to do these things.

guys you need to re-read the law...i thought it was going to be a problem but this law is geard twards duck hunters and late season fishermen. its form NOVEMBER 1st to May 1st....any of you guys plan to boat when the lakes are frozen and its snowing? also the fine is only $25 to max $100

Navigation Law Updates
Life Jacket Wear Requirements
Beginning November 1, 2009, Section 40, Subdivision 1 of the Navigation Law shall be amended by adding new paragraph (e), which reads as follows:

No owner or operator of a pleasure vessel less than twenty-one feet, including rowboats, canoes, and kayaks shall permit its operation, between November first and May first, unless each person on board such vessel is wearing a securely fastened United States Coast Guard approved wearable personal flotation device of an appropriate size when such vessel is underway.

Failure to wear a lifejacket on such vessels will be considered a violation under Section 73-c if the Navigation Law and is punishable by a fine of not less than $25 nor more than $100, applicable to either the operator and/or the owner of the vessel.

That is how it is reading now, wait until they think it was such a great idea that they make it a all year law with an amendment buried on the 70th page of some other law.

Slinky,

To play devil's on this, no one down here on the bay or sound fishes for stripers after Nov or flounder in the spring?

The fact that you say it "only $25 - $100" says to me you are saying "just break the law and pay the fines and shut up you can afford it"

It's not the money and whether or not it's directed at duck boats it includes a 20' Cigarette or 18' Donzi.

I'm sorry but it's your attitude that keeps these things coming at us, it's just one more law, just one more fine, one more everything.

I don't want to sound like a crazy but it is out of hand and getting worse.

When Obama runs on the promise of no more troops, no more war and now says oops more troops have to go - why can't we the people sue him for breech? He either lied or did not have the mental capcity to understand the situation either way why can't we fine him if even just $25!!!!

We'll wait until that actually happens before getting upset.

For now, this makes a lot of sense; the majority of boating fatalities are from falling overboard from small boats.

i wasnt saying to break the law. I'm in the under 21' range with my boat so i'd be stuck with this law if they move it to an all year thing.
I was just correcting the first post where they had said it was $100 to $250.

so get off your pedistal and dont put me in the class of the people breaking laws just because they can. I'm one of the few boaters on the lake who actually have gone out and got my boaters licence. This should be a mandatory law across the country!

From up in this area its all the duck hunters that go out in their little aluminum boats top heavy with all their duck blinds then think its a good idea to stand up quick and shoot a shotgun.

Slinky,

I agree with your point about duck hunters standing up and shooting and falling over - good point.

And I appologize for the money remark.

Read this it's from a great movie and I feel this is the problem and where we're headed:

- But this is a democracy Harvey...
- When their enemies were at the gates, the Romans would suspend democracy and appoint one man to protect the city. It wasn't considered an honor, it was considered a public service.
- Harvey, the last man who they appointed the Republic was named Caesar and he never gave up his power.
- Okay, fine. you either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain.

Above is Obama politics and we're seeing it all around us everyday more and more, the elected officals are seeing us the people as the enimies and all these laws are to protect us from ourselves - that's my point.

thats right there is about how new york state has been run for as long as i can say i've worried about laws....
except it isnt one person we appoint to power, it seems that every person thats in power in this state has a wish to run it into the ground with law after law after law....just look at the number of state troopers being apointed day after day, there are so many of them now it almost looks like a police state. There is almost no such thing as a free world anymore

Agreed, what worries me is that in 20 minutes on this site I can find enough information about all the deaths and injuries that step-bottomed boats have caused that to a non-boater a logical choice would be to out-law production of step-bottomed boats. It just goes on and on and I wish there was a way to stop the insanity but even here in NJ the people whose income depnds on the government some way or somehow grows every year and the private sector shrinks.

So, as this happens the party (doesn't matter which) and people who are in power stay in power until it can't support itself any longer.

I'm on the soap box now for sure (LOL) but you read in history and every great democary has fallen so far and what folllows is a dictatorship - we are not far off from that - the government steps in to run bank, insurance and car companies - watch out!

Enough for now, I'm going out on the road to get more cell phone and seat belts tickets!

Do these PFD's protect against hyperthermia? Doug

Do you think those "idiots" have enough common sense to follow the law if they aren't even willing to look out for their own safety? Too many laws, too much control.

Been a law in Oregon for some time now. See people at the lake getting stopped all the time. Do not think they write them up that often. But do see them giving the people a ride back to shore with boat in tow quite often.

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I cant believe how ,many people think that the government monitoring our every move is a good thing !!!



whatever happened to freedom ? that was a great concept . letting people choose how they wanted to live their lives

so I guess all the people who think this law is ok wont be mad if they put a nationwide speed limit of 40 mph on every recreational boat right . maybe even do away with prop driven drives all together and just make us all use jet drives , we don't need those dangerous props hurting us

maybe eventually we can do away with recreational boating all together cause that water is just tooo dangerous (sarcasm off)



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At least those self inflating jackets are comfortable to wear, and easy to get on & off. One of those would be plenty for the size of boat and boaters they are targeting. You definitely wouldn't need a race style Lifeline jacket, or anything that serious. We use Lifelines in my 20 Cigarette, but it also runs 85mph. Most people including myself want to wear the jackets in that particular boat, regardless of if there were a rule in place or not.

Most fisherman/hunters I see around here, use the jackets that double as a vest with pockets that store bait, hooks, etc, as well as provide floatation all in one.

It won't be that big of a deal when you get used to it.:ernaehrung004:

just gives me an excuse to by a bigger boat:drink:

Like the way you think!:drink:

i wish my fiance held the same opinion

HabanaJoe I agree with you 100%

One Big Ass Mistake America (Obama) is really just a party mouth piece. You would see a lot less of that if they were held liable for all the broken promises.

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big brother at work....what ya think all that tax $$is for?lol.big brother is watching you.

ok, they make you wear a life jacket to save a life ! but (yes there's always a but) that comes from the same lawmakers that think it's ok for the gov. to subsidise the tobacco companies and kill people every day go figure !!!

I finally said something that not to many people are arguing with me on - my birthday is in less than 2 weeks, this is the best present ever!:drink:

It's just a stepping stone for the next level. PFD's for everybody on every boat at all times. I kind of see there point for this new law ( as long as it goes no further ), in cold water your extremeties shut down pretty quick and a life jacket could really help. But if and when they take the next step of this law, where does it end? More people drown swimming at ocean beaches than on boats, are they going to make the thousands of swimmers at Jones Beach wear life jackets before going in to bodysurf or cool off ? Exaggerated, but the same basic idea.

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"What, me racist? Never!" :rolleyes:

now thats funny right there! lol

FIRE them before 2010!

This is a pretty powerful Petition addressed to our Federal Government and with enough signatures, it can NOT be ignored.

http://www.912petitions.com/index.php

I will nail a piece of 1"by1" to the back of my 21' boat and call it a swim platform.

Look out You 24 foot Fountain owners.

LOL :rolleyes:

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