I Need a Soft Material for under my Boat Cover
 

I Need a Soft Material for under my boat cover,I want To protect the new paint from the canvas cover.

The boat is in a covered slip 8 months a year,then sits out side at home the rest,The boat slip the wind get up sometimes and flaps the cover,no matter how I tie it down the air still gets under it.but the boat is under roof 34ft.and only get morn sun.I have a canvas Sunbrella blue boat cover now thats about 8 years old,being canvas which can be abrasive in the wind, I am wanting to sew in a soft material in the high wear spots onto the bottom side of the canvas.

One idea I'm thinking about Kimberly Clark, Block It line of fabrics,They make this material that they use on there car covers,I all ready have 3 of my cars with these covers.The only thing is the material is not that strong,it snags easily.it want tear its a woven material, The tech person said it is the softest cover on the back side that they make.They say its breathable so it will dry out fast,and want mildew.They also said sowing it to the bottom will make the canvas wick water.which the canvas cover does anyway.

http://www.block-it.com/ they said the Evolution cover is softer that the Noah.

I'm looking for any options,suggestions to what else might be better,Ive thought of Cotton like a T shirt but it will hold water and mildew,Thjnaks for any help.
Rob:drink:

Fleece?

Flannel, the skater cover has it to protect the seats and canopiew.

Be interested to hear an answer for both side on this...Best material for top and bottom. I need a new one bad.

Call Phil at P&G canvas on Long Island he has made a couple of covers for me he uses a material thats 100% waterproof, with felt on the inside... Its a little expensive but Phil's work is second to none and the material is definetly woth the money. (631) 669-0650
www.pandgcanvas.com

How about having microfiber sewn into the the underside of the cover; should protect the paint perfectly.

Being in the Furniture biz We have a living room suite with mycro fiber, its over 75% polyester,I assume polyester would damage/chafe paint?? Ive been told if it holds water it will mildew,not breathable???

I'm betting they make different kinds of micro fiber?

I was told fleece is a acrylic material?

Theres a material called KarTex,its kinda like Evolution $12a yard,they said its a flannel backing with the canvas top bonded together,that Flannel is Cotton.its 8 .25 a yard.

also most material's that are breathable when it rain water passes thru some and Ill see a dirt residue/black streaks.from the rain. I am wondering if the bottom side of any of these materials will trap dirt into the material??????

Thanks for the suggestion's
Rob

I am going to have Carrie Covers build me a cover over the winter, good price, lightweight and not abrasive, give Bertha a call...

http://www.carriecovers.com/home1.php

[QUOTE=Strip Poker 388;2976219]Being in the Furniture biz We have a living room suite with mycro fiber, its over 75% polyester,I assume polyester would damage/chafe paint?? Ive been told if it holds water it will mildew,not breathable???

I'm betting they make different kinds of micro fiber?

I think we're talking about different microfiber; I was thinking more of the microfiber material made for polishing clothes.

We took our 38 tg cockpit cover and just went to the local fabric store and bought a really soft fleece and then had our local apholstery guy sew it in place. It was relativly inexpensive and has worked great. If you end up doing this have them sew it over the spots that rub on your seats as well. That is the reason we did ours was to prevent the cover from rubbing on the seats.

Guy's I am worried about the Flannel and/or Fleece holding water,I would assume its not breathable and want dry out quickly,that it would mildew easy??? it may not be as bad as the Sunbrella canvas that the cover is made of.The factory cockpit cover has sown in white vinyl, the back side toward the paint,its not that soft:eek:

Does anybody know anything about these materials?? con pros

My boat is not stored inside,its outside all the time.

Thanks for the sugestions.
Rob



tonypo8 thanks for the sugestion,my seat tops get blue on them from the cover now.

Sunbrella has a few different fabrics,dont see anything with a backing
http://www.glenraven.com/marine.php?lang=en

I have been fightin this problems for years, sumbrella has a new fabric out but it is not 100% waterproof, i had a cotton liner sewn in but it rots and has to be replaced every two years. there is a new fabric made by a different company that claims it is 100% waterproof, so you could have the cotton sewn on underneth it, and withe water gettin in it should last for years. the guy who found me the fabric is Canvas Experts 410 213 8766 ask for mike, tell him i told u to call. good luck Wild Bill

Rob, fleece will not hold water and will dry quickly. Most is made from polyethylene (PET), often recycled from milk bottles. Polartec, for example, is a very well known and trusted manufacturer of fleece products for the outdoor industry. They have some good info on their site about the different types of fleece and finishes. www.polartec.com I'd start looking at the "Classic" fleece.

If you were to go a step farther, some fleece has an anti-microbial coating that was designed to control body odor after wearing for a long time in damp climates. This would go a step farther in preventing mold/mildew, but I wouldn't go that far for a boat cover. I would think 3M has a spray-on product that has similar properties.

Most technical fleece (outdoor clothing) is produced in three different weights, usually 100, 200, and 300. I'd go with the 200 or 300 levels for a thicker product thick. I have fleece jackets that I have been used and abused for years that do not have damage or thin spots. It's really durable stuff.

It can stretch, so I would look into stitching the fleece to the cover in multiple locations, like a quilted pattern...but that may lead to water intrusion. A seam sealer made for tents would fix this.

Whatever you do, make sure that the thread used is made especially for use on Sunbrella, or it may rot and disintegrate. Gore Industries (GoreTex maker) has a good product.

Brad.

You could also go with a totally seperate fleece cover (or the like to go under your regular cover, and use gypsy snaps on the fleece. That way the fleece and the canvas are seperate and could be cleaned seperately if need be.

There are marine vinyls that have fleece type backing, sew on cover up side down. Marine vinyls are mildew proof, thats what I used when in the bussiness and had no problems.
Good luck

That's a good idea :eureka:

I just talked to them they have the parachute material,and a canvas material,that has a plastic backing for waterproofing.She said in the wind they will flap.I ordered the 2 test fabrics and I going to rub them on the paint company test truck:eek: to see how bad it scratches.

They also said they used the flannel years back and it would stay wet and mildew,they said they want use it anymore.They will not sell the material either,1700 for 38ft.I just don't see it being custom fit with out the boat being there?

Redline let me how ya engine project come out,I would be interested in the before and after.:)



Rockfish71 it said it was vinyl,is that like the vinyl seat material???? most Ive seen is not smooth on the back.Hustler put it under the cockpit cover in high spots as a padding for the paint,it left some chafe marks in the paint,

c_deezy i think it would be better to get a new cover made instead of having 2 covers?


BradH I wonder if its cost effective anti-microbial coating ?? I have a locall canvas guy he has the thread,but its coarse and feels like it would scratch the paint,doing a quilt/zig zag like in the center hump?

looks like I may have to set my standards alittle lower,it took 7 years the wear thru the clear on the front part of the hump,and I could of helped it with all the polishing I did:rolleyes:.

thanks for the suggestions,keep them coming,I determined to find the best way.I guess it could be like the Outerlimits back cover comes un snaped when towed.that the factory want tow this with a cover on them,but the interior with wet road grime cant be good.

picks are were the cover rubbed it the worse.

Rob:drink:

bert is the rain tarp the same as the blue roof tarps? I like Your flannel idea better and others think also,Your right I just need to sow it in the areas that chafe.Thanks
Rob:drink:

Here is a piece of the Kimberly Clark evolution cover the claim it to be the softest (underside)outside cover,click on thumb, it zooms in real close.3264x2448 about 12.00 a yard

http://img121.imagevenue.com/loc147/..._122_147lo.jpg



http://img102.imagevenue.com/loc72/t...1_122_72lo.jpg

heres some info on threads,theres a bunch of kinds
http://www.seattlefabrics.com/thread.html

I called http://www.carriecovers.com/home1.php. I received their samples.The cover kinda feels like a nylon,there Ultralite is thin a inside cover,and the Hydo Shield is thicker,the back of the material is not soft.so I believe it will have abrasion [on paint] to it in the wind flapping etc. reasonable prices,they probably would have to have the boat to make a decent fitting cover.I tested them they seen to be water replant,You cant blow air thru it.Its like they say a poker run cover,If it sat out side at a poker run you could throw this cover on it,or use it inside your shop.this want work for me.

(No Trailering!!)

I will get some close up pictures of them.

Rob:drink:

I called Phil at P and G Canvas,Newyork area. Phil said they do the covers for Hustler factory.he uses the Sunbrella supreme fabric,He mentioned something about sowing in a softer backing?? he seemed high on his price to me,but his quality could be higher compared to others? with talking to him it sounds like he goes into detail on making them FIT.

Rob:drink:

Sunbrella

I received some sunbrella samples.Its the material like whats on my boat now.It seems to have starch in it,I guess that it being new, My cover is worn/softer than the reg sumbrella.

I must of talked to bunch of so called tech's.they can read the brochures good,none had any experience. I got ahold of a guy that new his shet!! I didn't tell him up front what I was doing,I asked what the Sunbrella Supreme material was for and why does it have a felt looking backing(being softer) like the felt on a pool table but with starch.He said it was for looks:eek:He said its made for canopy's for boats[enclosure],its the same color as the top side and is suppose to look like a Headliner in a car,I asked physical difference , he said it would help in being water proof, these 2 fabs are bonded (glued) together. Then i told him I wanted a soft backing as to not scratch.chafe/my paint ,told him its not gel coat its like a paint job on a car thats just for car shows.He said it will be abrasive ,alittle better that the regular Sunbrella canvas.sounded like the truth finally, now if I was buying a new cover I would use this material and ad a protective material to protect the paints high spots that get chafed in the wind,I also will not tow with the cover on again,The 877 mile trip up to Mitch's showed chaffing in the paint,he fixed those places while painting the rest.

The Sunbrella guy Allen (materials specialist) said they sell to a Co that makes covers for helicopters and airplanes to protect the windshields, its usually acrylic.there in Ca.I would Think it would have to be the best you can buy being how expensive the windshield cost $$$$$. He said they use his supreme material and bond a Polyester material to protect the glass and paint on the back side.Now Allen is recommending a company that he doesn't work for.

As of now I am calling the 2 people he recommended and I'm going to research the Polyester and what is there suggestions.One is the Mill and the other is the cover maker.I figure Ill get some good info from them!!

I still have a concern about the material holding water.My factory full cover had car seat vinyl sowed in were the vinyl side touched the paint,the reason must of been they were protecting the cover from think like cleats,top edge of windshield.

I have some pictures of the back of the regular Sunbrealla and there supreme,its weird how they look zoomed in to see the actual fibers.



Allen at Sunbrella # is 867-716 4348

I also found out your suppose to be sowing with a # 16 needle..

I trying to find out the thread,Mine now has a black thread,thick,claimed to be UV,but its

Phil at P&G canvas said he use to use flannel,said it didn't hold up??

I wonder what the high dollar boat manufactures are using for boat covers,what backing? say Outerlimits,Nor-Tech,Cig,all the people with the high dollar paint jobs, Not the guys that walk on the boats with shoes on!

There has to be a person or company that knows all the fabrics on this board/

thanks again guys
Rob:drink:

Still researching

heres a site with diff kinds of Fleece,different blends,hard to tell which one to go with?


http://www.denverfabrics.com/catalog...aspx?TypId=585

I got a hold of the helo and air plane cover maker,Bruce custom covers,in Ca
http://www.aircraftcovers.com/

Tom was real helpfull,he said they use a micro fiber polyester Dinier sueded fabric.they sow it on the back side to protect the windshield on the planes,and the helos that have the big bubble front ,He said they do not sow across were it would rub on the glass,that the thread would scratch it,the widest place is around 45inchs on mine,I would think with these being a acrylic ,form of plastic it would be softer than any car cover material,being the plastic scratches easy.

Tom said they came out with a new material thats called something like Outdura,sp' said its a 3 layer and is a lot better than what there using now but its real bad expensive,I would assume that its about 30 a yard.

most have been saying you want a non-woven backing fabric,

Tri Vantage sent me some samples,there the water resistant with the soft touch backing.it feels soft but its thin, and I just need the backing.ill call them a see if they have a backing they can sell me.

Also the Co that supples Bruce the polyester would not tell me what the were buying ,said that was proprietary:angry-smiley-055:jerkoffs.Bruce covers didn't have a problem telling me there secret fabric.Ill give jerkoff a call back and get a sample of the micro fiber ploy. and see how much.He claimed to be the mil?

Rob

Ill take some close up picks of these fabrics.

Interesting thread. I need a new cover for one boat, and the canvas cover on my outlaw is putting light scratches in the windscreen - catches the sunlight sometimes and you can really see it. I'd like to have something soft underneath to protect as well.

I had an evolution cover for a viper - was very soft and never scratched the paint.
Was always garaged though = so no wind driven chaffing, so not sure how well it would do outside.

flannel,I wonder if they make a polyester,or something beside cotton,they say cotton will mildew and hold water.
http://www.onlinefabricstore.net/fla...FURR2godlGYilQ

GLASS DISPLAY CASE:bigbird: