496 MAG - one uses more fuel and lower max RPM???
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Problems like yours are a major reason I invested in a prop shaft dyno. It is very easy to identify what's going on. Find a shop that has this capability and you don't have to guess. If the engine is significantly down on HP then you can get mercury to step up to the plate.
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I guess it's time for an in-water prop change. I hate chasing these things .... But thank you for the suggestions.
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Can you post a picture of the props? This may help possibly. If you have a 300-400 RPM difference I would say at the very least you should have the propellers looked at. Try to post some pics and include pics with the part numbers, please.
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Bravo III drives? Every set of Bravo III props I have owned are way off from Merc. I always send them in to be trued and balanced. Also, you may have hit something that has thrown one of the two props off. I have found that with the dual props you can damage one but not feel any vibration as the second prop tends to cancel vibrations out.
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Bravo III drives? Every set of Bravo III props I have owned are way off from Merc. I always send them in to be trued and balanced. Also, you may have hit something that has thrown one of the two props off. I have found that with the dual props you can damage one but not feel any vibration as the second prop tends to cancel vibrations out.
The props "look" fine. But based on the replies here it seems that this type of performance loss can be caused by the props even if they don't have any damage that is apparent to the (untrained) eye.
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Swapped props - No Difference. Bummer
Still have the same problem ... over 3000 rpm, the port motor needs more throttle and uses more gas than starboard. Port uses about 4-5 gph more and maxes about 300-400 rpm lower.
Any other suggestions, please???
Compression is good and no fault codes stored.
Still have the same problem ... over 3000 rpm, the port motor needs more throttle and uses more gas than starboard. Port uses about 4-5 gph more and maxes about 300-400 rpm lower.
Any other suggestions, please???
Compression is good and no fault codes stored.
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Since I have ruled out the props as the cause, and the engine is using too much fuel and running without any hesitation, I am theorizing it's not a fuel delivery issue (at least for now).
Therefore, I am guessing that spark/timing should be my next area to check. I tested all the wires and put in new plugs, but the problems remains.
Is there a knock sensor or something that could be unplugged that would cause the ECU to retard timing?
Therefore, I am guessing that spark/timing should be my next area to check. I tested all the wires and put in new plugs, but the problems remains.
Is there a knock sensor or something that could be unplugged that would cause the ECU to retard timing?
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Don't you wish Gremlins would only show up at Halloween!
If the scan tool shows 100% power when running at the affected rpms, then its not a sensor or guardian issue.
How exactly are you measuring the fuel consumption. If its an inline fuel flow metered system, maybe the metering unit is out of calibration? As for rpms, are you reading dash tachs or from the electronic scan as sometimes tachs are off quite a bit?
This being said, if the one engine is not producing as much power as the other it could be that the power loss at the prop difference is whats making your results.
As Bob from Full Throttle is saying, this is where a propshaft dyno comes in very handy.
Compression alone is not always a good measure of power. There could be power loss coming from other issues that are mechanical and would not show up on a scan tool. You might do a leakdown test also to dtermine if there are some out of range losses in a particular cylinder or two. Another suggestion would be to read the spark timing in the ECM with the scan tool at these speeds and conditions and see if there is a substaintial difference between the two engines at that rpm.
As with all problems or gremlins,there is an answer, its just the finding thats sometimes very difficult.
Best Regards,
Ray @ Raylar
How exactly are you measuring the fuel consumption. If its an inline fuel flow metered system, maybe the metering unit is out of calibration? As for rpms, are you reading dash tachs or from the electronic scan as sometimes tachs are off quite a bit?
This being said, if the one engine is not producing as much power as the other it could be that the power loss at the prop difference is whats making your results.
As Bob from Full Throttle is saying, this is where a propshaft dyno comes in very handy.
Compression alone is not always a good measure of power. There could be power loss coming from other issues that are mechanical and would not show up on a scan tool. You might do a leakdown test also to dtermine if there are some out of range losses in a particular cylinder or two. Another suggestion would be to read the spark timing in the ECM with the scan tool at these speeds and conditions and see if there is a substaintial difference between the two engines at that rpm.
As with all problems or gremlins,there is an answer, its just the finding thats sometimes very difficult.
Best Regards,
Ray @ Raylar