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Old 06-18-2010, 11:05 PM
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Love this one never really thought about Pantera but after the thread about the 41 started going into there site.I like what I see.
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Old 06-19-2010, 06:59 AM
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Lets compare the last 41 Apache built with the new Pantera.

In poker run format...not full race. Some bling and comfort features.

What HP did it take to make the last of the APACHES run 100-110 ?
What HP will it take to make the PANTERA run the same speed ?
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Lets compare the last 41 Apache built with the new Pantera.

In poker run format...not full race. Some bling and comfort features.

What HP did it take to make the last of the APACHES run 100-110 ?
What HP will it take to make the PANTERA run the same speed ?
And does the same hull lighter ride worse? good thread.
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Another question to Steve.

We have read on here over time how Reggie when doing a speed record attempt would take a particular boat back to his shop and tweak the hull with what appeared as minor adjustments and actually made the boat faster.

Is that something you could do with your expertise with some of the guy's boats that are out there?
With absolutely no disrespect to any of our great boatbuilders are there some boats out there that could have some tweaking done to them to gain 4-5 mph?
Something a production builder would not be interested in doing.

Sort of like buying an already fast Corvette and having one of the Aftermarket Specialists make it even faster.
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Old 06-19-2010, 09:26 AM
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Question for everyone.

Its June 2010.

What hull shape and length, by what boatbuilder, that we know has been UNCHANGED is out there now in use in the GREATEST NUMBERS ?

Would it be one of the Fountain hulls because of the huge numbers sold over the years ?


What V hull ?
and what CAT hull ?
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Question for everyone.

Its June 2010.

What hull shape and length, by what boatbuilder, that we know has been UNCHANGED is out there now in use in the GREATEST NUMBERS ?

Would it be one of the Fountain hulls because of the huge numbers sold over the years ?


What V hull ?
and what CAT hull ?

I would think the old 24/7 Exclibur would by very high on that list. Not sure who was the first to produce it in its original form but Harry Schoel comes to mind as its possible designer. Panteras probably one of the ones whos been doing it the longest and is still around. (just guesses on my end)
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Lets compare the last 41 Apache built with the new Pantera.

In poker run format...not full race. Some bling and comfort features.

What HP did it take to make the last of the APACHES run 100-110 ?
What HP will it take to make the PANTERA run the same speed ?
Alec the old Apaches had some issues with the bottom geometery example Aronow kept the boat shape ,where the chine at transom was less than at say station 5 or mid ships.

Now that pulled the strakes in at the transom making a horseshoe shape.

What I did was screw a template to the plugs transom and we built the strakes straight and dead Parallel with the Keel (waterflow)

Pepe has a better bottom to start with and both sides of his boat is exactly the same,a old joke.
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this could easily go 30 pages and we learn something new every page...
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Go back to post # 42 and give me your thoughts please.
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Another question to Steve.

We have read on here over time how Reggie when doing a speed record attempt would take a particular boat back to his shop and tweak the hull with what appeared as minor adjustments and actually made the boat faster.

Is that something you could do with your expertise with some of the guy's boats that are out there?
With absolutely no disrespect to any of our great boatbuilders are there some boats out there that could have some tweaking done to them to gain 4-5 mph?
Something a production builder would not be interested in doing.

Sort of like buying an already fast Corvette and having one of the Aftermarket Specialists make it even faster.
Alec It is common sense nothing supports weight like horizontal surfaces but there is a penalty paid for large pad areas in ride which is the trade off for speed, Reggie did a good job analyzing video and using common sense ,Yes one needs to check the center of gravity and what is happening aft of that point, profile wise, the old timers taught me in Vee design (not step)a third of the hull should be constant running surface, everything stays the same for 33% of the length forward of the transom then converges to the stem.

Once upon a time I was bet on a small boat, the early programs said 48 MPH with a 90 OK!! I got 54 MPH with a 70 out of a boat that was a foot longer and 3 inches wider.

To answer your question absolutely Yes, everything can be worked on from all the the edges and some slight geometry change will push it in the right direction.
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