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EightSecv6 07-31-2010 06:37 AM

498 engine build N/A carb and intake suggestions?
 
I am removing the whipple and efi from my engine and converting it to a carburetor. I'm not sure what intake and carb will be best for my package.

.070 over 454
4.25 stroke
10.25:1 compression
stock magnum rect port heads with bowl work
CMI sport tube lite headers
Cam is .600/.600 lift 227/235 @.050 on a 112

I would like to make around 550 HP and looking for suggestions on carb/intake selection.

EightSecv6 08-01-2010 07:13 AM

anyone?

PatriYacht 08-01-2010 09:19 AM

Be careful with that much compression, short duration cam and iron heads. I'd start out with 32 degrees of ignition advance and the best pump gas you can find.

PatriYacht 08-01-2010 09:22 AM

Edelbrock Victor and an 850 Holley if you're serious about 550 hp.

SFOcean 08-02-2010 04:00 PM

I have an Edlebrock Victor Jr., rectangle port, 4150 carb base, port matched with dyno time only; $150 to your door :drink:

EightSecv6 08-18-2010 11:55 AM


Originally Posted by SFOcean (Post 3173311)
I have an Edlebrock Victor Jr., rectangle port, 4150 carb base, port matched with dyno time only; $150 to your door :drink:

Has it been cut or is it out of box?

mikesspeedparts 08-18-2010 02:21 PM

Intake and Carb
 
Not trying to tell you what to do but we have already built a similar engine. I would use a New style Merlin Intake Single Plane and at least an 850 if not a 950. This intake has extended runners and a raised plenum. It makes more power than a Victor Jr with a Super Sucker Spacer. Another good intake is the New Style Weiand Team G with the Extended Runners and raised Plenum.

mikesspeedparts 08-18-2010 02:25 PM

Intakes and Carbs
 
By the way, we had the same cubes pretty much and same Compression. But we used a Hyd Roller with about .621 lift and 238 242 Dur @ .050 I think on a 114. Made over 638 HP on Dyno with 34 degrees timing and 93 Octane. It went over 80 MPH in a 22' Donzi. Don't know what kind of heads you are using. That makes a lot of difference too.

EightSecv6 08-20-2010 06:36 PM


Originally Posted by mikesspeedparts (Post 3185253)
By the way, we had the same cubes pretty much and same Compression. But we used a Hyd Roller with about .621 lift and 238 242 Dur @ .050 I think on a 114. Made over 638 HP on Dyno with 34 degrees timing and 93 Octane. It went over 80 MPH in a 22' Donzi. Don't know what kind of heads you are using. That makes a lot of difference too.

well, my heads need a considerable amount of work SOOOO I bought a set of Dart 310 aluminum marine heads unported. I still dont have a cam. I kind of like the Comp XM296HR.

.566/ .566 242/248 @.050 on a 112

Opinions on this?

Mike I have been told the same thing about the Merlin with an 850 Demon for this set up performs about as good as it gets.

BUIZILLA 08-20-2010 07:01 PM

Billy... 296 is a tad bumpy... tone the cam down to around what Mike says, 113-114 LS installed LC at 109-110 is a MUST... I know the boat he's talking about... solid runner, good dock manners... Merlin and Demon 850 combo is great if you have hatch clearance room.. I have a 850 Demon on my 22 Donzi and have tuned 3 others just like it, 2 are 540's.. carb is tits.. wheel it to 5400-5450

your pal Al..

fastdonzi 08-20-2010 07:34 PM

What kind of exhaust? (if you have wet headers) Be careful of reversion with too much cam. May want to get around .222 @.050. Depending on the rise and where your water is induced. I'm sure Buiz knows better than me, But I didn't see anyone ask about exhaust.

BUIZILLA 08-20-2010 07:44 PM


Originally Posted by EightSecv6 (Post 3172024)
CMI sport tube lite headers

Mike ^^^

BGIII 08-21-2010 12:07 PM

Can anyone provide a link to the Merlin intake you guys are talking about?

Anarchy Powerboats 08-21-2010 05:18 PM

Edelbrock 7561? PETO likes the air-gap 2.0 stuff

EightSecv6 08-21-2010 05:25 PM

Thanks guys. I guess I am basically looking for the same performance naturaly aspirated (carb) with a 498" that I had with a whipple and fuel injection. Checkmate 270 Convincor is the hull, it ran a best of 81 mph @ 472" stock magnum heads, mild cam and CMI Sport Tube Lites and 8psi.
Hatch clearance is not an issue, I want to make the thing last and perform. I feel like I am going backwards with a carb and big cam BUT I think it is the best route.

EightSecv6 08-21-2010 05:27 PM


Originally Posted by BUIZILLA (Post 3187239)
Billy... 296 is a tad bumpy... tone the cam down to around what Mike says, 113-114 LS installed LC at 109-110 is a MUST... I know the boat he's talking about... solid runner, good dock manners... Merlin and Demon 850 combo is great if you have hatch clearance room.. I have a 850 Demon on my 22 Donzi and have tuned 3 others just like it, 2 are 540's.. carb is tits.. wheel it to 5400-5450

your pal Al..

Hey J Im concerned with running too short of a duration with my compression... however I may be ok keeping the blower cam I have with aluminum heads. This boat stuff is alot harder than race cars LOL and I'm dealin with a lot smaller window!

BUIZILLA 08-21-2010 06:26 PM

what chamber size on the heads you have now?

EightSecv6 08-22-2010 04:05 PM


Originally Posted by BUIZILLA (Post 3187762)
what chamber size on the heads you have now?

I have all new parts. 310 Dart aluminum 121cc chambers
4.070 bore 10.2 compression
4.250 stroke.

I have not bought a cam or intake/carb yet

mikes280 08-22-2010 05:10 PM

have you thought about the crane 741 it works good on the 496 combo with good heads and intake , i have done many of these and that cam with a good single plane intake and at least a 950 and you are at 600+ hp . we did a pair using that cam and the edelbrock victor intake with a 1050 and made 640 hp at 5600rpm , they are in a 32 active thunder that runs 92 on the gps so we know the power is there.

BUIZILLA 08-22-2010 06:58 PM


Originally Posted by EightSecv6 (Post 3188207)
4.070 bore 4.250 stroke.

that works out to a 448 not a 498...

EightSecv6 08-22-2010 08:43 PM


Originally Posted by BUIZILLA (Post 3188298)
that works out to a 448 not a 498...

.070 over 454 4.320 4.250 stroke I'm crunchin so many numbers I confusin myself!

SFOcean 08-23-2010 03:27 PM


Originally Posted by EightSecv6 (Post 3185109)
Has it been cut or is it out of box?

Sorry for the late response, I have been ill.
the manifold is port matched, can be seen in the photos here
http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/s...-rec-port.html

EightSecv6 08-30-2010 01:54 PM

I went with a custom grind from Comp (my cam supplier). It is a .615/.651 lift 236/244 @.050 dur on a 112 lobe sep.


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