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JackL 07-31-2010 09:18 AM

checkmate cat
 
Looking for the red and white Checkmate cat. Friend has the black one called Topaz racing. I was told only 2 were made.

cosmic12 07-31-2010 04:50 PM

I know where the molds are for them.

Keytime 07-31-2010 04:54 PM


Originally Posted by cosmic12 (Post 3172275)
I know where the molds are for them.

Who designed the molds? Bill?

What timeframe was that?

BowenCT 08-01-2010 07:44 AM

Never heard of a Checkmate cat....interesting. Anyone have a pic?

Gladhe8er 08-01-2010 08:47 AM

I think they were 25 feet long.

cosmic12 08-01-2010 01:17 PM

The molds are sitting in Brewerton N.Y. hull & deck, been there awhile now.

Keytime 08-01-2010 01:30 PM


Originally Posted by cosmic12 (Post 3172572)
The molds are sitting in Brewerton N.Y. hull & deck, been there awhile now.

What's the story on them?

Too Stroked 08-01-2010 04:01 PM

I saw one of them (red & white I believe) at the factory many years ago when we used to pick the ones we sold up directly. I was told that it was a failed experiment.

cosmic12 08-01-2010 07:21 PM


Originally Posted by Keytime (Post 3172579)
What's the story on them?

I am sure they could be bought.

oceanoutlaw 08-01-2010 08:59 PM


Originally Posted by Keytime (Post 3172276)
Who designed the molds? Bill?

What timeframe was that?

Don't quote me on this. But I believe George Linder designed the 25' cat for Checkmate. From what I understand there was a legal battle between George and Checkmate. George won and the molds were supposed to be destroyed, but they never where

boomer 08-02-2010 06:23 AM

It was called the Persuader and made in 1987, I think the made abourt 4-5 total.

BowenCT 08-02-2010 07:52 AM


Originally Posted by boomer (Post 3172945)
It was called the Persuader and made in 1987, I think the made abourt 4-5 total.

http://checkmate-boats.com/photopost....php/photo/565

Need to be a member to view. Care to post 'em?

glassdave 08-02-2010 09:34 AM

I think I've got the original brochure with this boat in it. I will see if i can dig it out and scan it.

T2x 08-02-2010 09:34 AM

George designed it, we (Conquest) built the plug. Some changes were made to that plug after delivery at Checkmate and the result did not perform as well as it should have. A lot of finger pointing ended with an arbitration hearing in NYC a few years later, and the parties reached a settlement. The model was discontinued almost at inception and there are a couple still around (1 at K&K Outboard on Long Island).

I am sorry the project ever happened..........

T2x

ROTAX454 08-02-2010 10:57 AM


Originally Posted by T2x (Post 3173053)
George designed it, we (Conquest) built the plug. Some changes were made to that plug after delivery at Checkmate and the result did not perform as well as it should have. A lot of finger pointing ended with an arbitration hearing in NYC a few years later, and the parties reached a settlement. The model was discontinued almost at inception and there are a couple still around (1 at K&K Outboard on Long Island).

I am sorry the project ever happened..........

T2x

Interesting. What year did the "settlement" take place?

T2x 08-02-2010 11:17 AM


Originally Posted by ROTAX454 (Post 3173116)
Interesting. What year did the "settlement" take place?

I don't recall...maybe two years later.

ROTAX454 08-02-2010 09:45 PM

Before I mis-write anything here, help me out here.
Did Baja ever have an ill fated attempt at producing a cat?

T2x 08-03-2010 06:45 AM


Originally Posted by ROTAX454 (Post 3173571)
Before I mis-write anything here, help me out here.
Did Baja ever have an ill fated attempt at producing a cat?

Back in the late 60's both Checkmate and Baja produced single engine outboard racing tunnel boats....both based on the Glastron/Molinari. At that time the largest boat that either company made was perhaps 18 or 19 feet in their pleasure boat line. To my knowledge Checkmates only other attempt at building a cat was the one listed earlier in this thread. I believe Baja put it's "brand" name on a few of the racing 32 foot Active Cats built in Michigan in the early 80's, but Baja did not actually build those boats.

T2x

X-Driver 08-03-2010 07:45 AM

Baja Cat-

http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/b...-baja-cat.html

Gladhe8er 08-03-2010 09:41 AM


Originally Posted by ROTAX454 (Post 3173571)
Before I mis-write anything here, help me out here.
Did Baja ever have an ill fated attempt at producing a cat?

I had a 1985 12' Baja Scat cat growing up. Terrible boat.

ROTAX454 08-03-2010 09:50 PM


Originally Posted by T2x (Post 3173689)
Back in the late 60's both Checkmate and Baja produced single engine outboard racing tunnel boats....both based on the Glastron/Molinari. At that time the largest boat that either company made was perhaps 18 or 19 feet in their pleasure boat line. To my knowledge Checkmates only other attempt at building a cat was the one listed earlier in this thread. I believe Baja put it's "brand" name on a few of the racing 32 foot Active Cats built in Michigan in the early 80's, but Baja did not actually build those boats.

T2x

Rich, really enjoy your posts. Straight, to the point, and more informative then an "All you wanted to know about Offshore Racing - past and present" book.

T2x 08-04-2010 06:44 AM


Originally Posted by ROTAX454 (Post 3174401)
Rich, really enjoy your posts. Straight, to the point, and more informative then an "All you wanted to know about Offshore Racing - past and present" book.


Thank you.........

AJ POWERPLAY 08-04-2010 06:57 AM

Sounds interesting... never heard of it but would like to see!

ROTAX454 08-04-2010 06:25 PM

Ok, here goes. Rich, this is why I asked about the year that the settlement took place. The time which this occured is between May of 03 and April of 04. I was in Jim Jones (no not the Sinster Minister) office discussing something about my boat. He showed me a brochure on a Cat that was between 28-30' in length. Damn if I can remember if it was from Checkmate or Baja. Was definately one of the two. Story goes that they (either Checkmate or Baja) were shopping that boat around looking for a manufacturer to purchase it. Jim was entertaining (I am choosing my words carefully here) the idea of partnering up with someone (with money) to produce the boat in question. I remember something to the effect "Jim, with a 28 single and a 31 twin, what the hell do you need that for?" Answer-----ahh, you know what it is.

Bottom line, the boat in question was being shopped around as late as 2004. Maybe later? Someone still holding on to the molds?


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