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onesickpantera 08-16-2010 10:31 PM

Mercruiser hp rating correction factors
 
Just curious, does Merc use the STD/STP or the SAE correction factor when rating their engines?

onesickpantera 08-17-2010 11:02 AM

ttt

CB-BLR 08-17-2010 02:01 PM

That is a tough one...
They are all over the place in relation to stated horsepower.

A typical 525 makes north of 540 horsepower.
My 600sci made 587 horsepower stock
A couple of 700sci's made 679 horsepower on Dustin Whipples dyno
On the same dyno... a 1075 made 1103 horsepower stock

All of these were standard SAE correction

So... who knows???

Chris

Kurt Hamilton 08-17-2010 02:53 PM

What probably needs to be remembered is the stern drives will be rated at the prop shaft. The dyno pull with no drive attached is bound to show greater HP than advertised.
A 10% +/- of the advertised HP is normally acceptable.

Not sure whats going on though with those 600 and 700sci's?

Back4More 08-17-2010 02:55 PM

If I recall the blue motors are rated crankshaft HP and the black motors propshaft HP.

onesickpantera 08-17-2010 03:22 PM


Originally Posted by Back4More (Post 3184379)
If I recall the blue motors are rated crankshaft HP and the black motors propshaft HP.

Correct. The "racing" motors (500hp+) all get rated at the crank and the others get rated at the prop.

I know most performance companies use the STD/STP correction factor and I would assume it's because it shows more hp.

But I don't know if Merc uses SAE or STD/STP when they rate their motors.

Raylar 08-19-2010 08:07 AM

Got that backwards! Merc Racing engines are rated at the prop and Mercruiser engines are rated at the crankshaft.
I believe Mercury Racing and Mercruiser both use SAE standards when measuring HP and torque on their dynos and this is pretty much the standard for the reliable marine engine manufacturers. We use SAE on our tests and we make sure the dyno has a recent recalibration, proper correction factors and is on the "stingy" side on outputs for specific engine packages.

Regards,
Ray @ Raylar

DareDevil 08-19-2010 08:39 AM


Originally Posted by Raylar (Post 3185974)
Got that backwards! Merc Racing engines are rated at the prop and Mercruiser engines are rated at the crankshaft.
I believe Mercury Racing and Mercruiser both use SAE standards when measuring HP and torque on their dynos and this is pretty much the standard for the reliable marine engine manufacturers. We use SAE on our tests and we make sure the dyno has a recent recalibration, proper correction factors and is on the "stingy" side on outputs for specific engine packages.

Regards,
Ray @ Raylar

YEP ! thats what i heard !!!!!

onesickpantera 08-19-2010 11:01 AM


Originally Posted by Raylar (Post 3185974)
Got that backwards! Merc Racing engines are rated at the prop and Mercruiser engines are rated at the crankshaft.

Regards,
Ray @ Raylar

I respectfully disagree as the 502 Mag was rated at 415hp at the prop and the HP500 were 500 at the crank(470 at the prop)

Mercruiser sterndrive examples:

502 Mag - 415hp at the prop
454 Mag - 385hp at the prop
350 Mag - 300hp at the prop

Merc Racing examples:

HP500 - 500 at the crank
HP575 - 575 at the crank
Scorpion 377 - 377 at the crank
HP525 - 525 at the crank

I think the confusion comes into play because the 525 is always WAY more than 525 hp.

Either way I was curious as to if Merc used SAE.

Thanks

JaayTeee 08-19-2010 12:27 PM

I was always under the assumtion that the HP engines
were rated at the crank, due the the fact that they
could be had with different drive types ( bravo/ssm) which would net different p/s hp.

A.O. Razor 08-19-2010 04:17 PM

I agree with onesickpantera. I recall when the 525 first came out, it was rated at 500 hp on the prop, in the same way the HP500 was rated at 470 hp. Later on, Merc changed it to 525, and did not mention if it was on the crank. I think this change happened when they replaced the 575sci with the 600 sci. I even think I have an old brochure where the 600sc and 525sc are rated as 550 hp and 490 hp prop. I will see if I can make a good scan of it, if I can find it.

onesickpantera 08-19-2010 05:12 PM

I agree it gets confusing! Plus, back in the day I think the non-mag 454s were rated both ways(310 and 330).

I believe the 525s should be called 550s, but Merc was afraid if they did that no one would buy the 600s. :eek: :D

fireguy 08-19-2010 05:20 PM


Originally Posted by onesickpantera (Post 3186431)
I agree it gets confusing! Plus, back in the day I think the non-mag 454s were rated both ways(310 and 330).

I believe the 525s should be called 550s, but Merc was afraid if they did that no one would buy the 600s. :eek: :D


That's probably a very good point. That would make the point of diminshing marginal returns look very favorably towards the 525.

neva satisfied 08-19-2010 06:05 PM


Originally Posted by onesickpantera (Post 3186152)
I respectfully disagree as the 502 Mag was rated at 415hp at the prop and the HP500 were 500 at the crank(470 at the prop)

Mercruiser sterndrive examples:

502 Mag - 415hp at the prop
454 Mag - 385hp at the prop
350 Mag - 300hp at the prop

Merc Racing examples:

HP500 - 500 at the crank
HP575 - 575 at the crank
Scorpion 377 - 377 at the crank
HP525 - 525 at the crank

I think the confusion comes into play because the 525 is always WAY more than 525 hp.

Either way I was curious as to if Merc used SAE.

Thanks


If this is the case...what are the 496 Mags and H.O.s rated for at the crank?

onesickpantera 08-19-2010 07:01 PM


Originally Posted by neva satisfied (Post 3186463)
If this is the case...what are the 496 Mags and H.O.s rated for at the crank?

I would assume +30hp since that is what Merc deducts. I do know that the "black" motors are usually over rated a bit and crank dyno a little higher than the pshp rating.


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