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Originally Posted by JasonSmith
(Post 3210061)
where do I send my social security number so I can claim my portion of your 8 figure bank account?
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Originally Posted by C_Spray
(Post 3209278)
From start to finish, this thread is a first-rate example of exactly what is keeping boat racing from becoming a viable sport.
Can anyone provide a message board thread where Rick Hendricks is trashing Jack Roush? Roger Penske trashing Chip Ganassi? Ron Dennis trashing Luca Montezemola? It helps keep the sport in tne press, F1 being quiet a large sport in the rest of the world |
Originally Posted by C5Steve
(Post 3210203)
Send it to Obama.... He's on top of trying to redistribute the wealth
1 USD= 1,0000,0000. Turkish lira |
Originally Posted by turbo94gto
(Post 3209910)
Not one boat can do everything the best, I belive for a shoot out piston power is the way to go, but if I want to do a Poker run, a Shoot Out, and then a Race. I will take a turbin boat any day. I doubt the piston boat would even make it to the first card stop.
Kinda like a tub'd c5 corvett with some 600+cu blower moter, beating a 24hr road race corvett in a drag race. There both C5 corvetts just built to do diffent things. That is a tribute to his organization, skill and experience. Offshore misses him and his team. |
I don't think this guy was "bashing" or greatly out of line. The JBS team has continuously walked around with their pants down around their ankles in a lot of their posts.
It has always seemed to me that anyone with a big power, mega boat gets an inordinate amount of respect on this website simply for writing a check, regardless of whether or not the boater in question has an ounce of class, skill, or common sense. (some do, some don't). As far as the "concern" that criticisms on the web could be damaging to potential sponsors, I submit the following: 1. Any publicity is better than none at all. 2. The sport of Offshore Racing has damaged itself in a myriad of ways and continues to do so in the eyes of both sponsors and TV media types. The causes of this are too numerous to list (again), but I assure you that negativity on enthusiast websites is way down the list. We need to understand the difference between thoughtful criticism and "bashing". The former is needed for any endeavour to move forward, the latter is simply a release of frustration or an unwarranted attack. Welcome to OSO Nautdesign....... It's nice to see points made in such an articulate and urbane fashion. T2x |
Originally Posted by nautdesign1
(Post 3210034)
...There’s surely got to be more than five people here that are capable of grasping the point I am making….I feel like George Bush at a Taliban convention.
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Originally Posted by fantastixvoyage
(Post 3210038)
Watch for flying shoes....:eek::angry-smiley-038:
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I do not know JBS so this is in general. I raced for years and I will tell you most drivers can be dicks. Its called ego. Thinking and knowing your the best. If you think your just ok well that the first step to second place. A driver without some swagger is usually an "also ran". I wasnt much on talking trash because if you end up having a bad day you have to eat crow and deflect the real problems. Now drivers and owners do talk trash to each other the public just doesnt get to see it. Thats competition and it happens on or off the track. Even when men were gentlemen and I think most still are intimidation is a big factor. You stare someone down, bump them while on a restart and get in their head. Like Earnhardt smiling at you in your mirror. You knew what was about to happen.
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Originally Posted by T2x
(Post 3210282)
I don't think this guy was "bashing" or greatly out of line. The JBS team has continuously walked around with their pants down around their ankles with a lot of their posts.
It has always seemed to me that anyone with a big power, fast boat gets an inordinate amount of respect on this website, regardless of whether or not the boater in question has an ounce of class or common sense. (some do, some don't). As far as the "concern" that criticisms on the web could be damaging to potential sponsors, I submit the following: 1. Any publicity is better than none at all 2. The sport of Offshore Racing has damaged itself in a myriad of ways and continues to do so in the eyes of both sponsors and TV media types. The causes of this are too numerous to list (again), but I assure you that negativity on enthusiast websites is way down the list. We need to understand the difference between thoughtful criticism and "bashing". The former is needed for any endeavour to move forward, the latter is simply a release of frustration or an unwarranted attack. Welcome to OSO Nautdesign....... It's nice to see points made in such an articulate and urbane fashion. T2x |
Originally Posted by T2x
(Post 3210282)
I don't think this guy was "bashing" or greatly out of line. The JBS team has continuously walked around with their pants down around their ankles in a lot of their posts.
It has always seemed to me that anyone with a big power, mega boat gets an inordinate amount of respect on this website simply for writing a check, regardless of whether or not the boater in question has an ounce of class, skill, or common sense. (some do, some don't). As far as the "concern" that criticisms on the web could be damaging to potential sponsors, I submit the following: 1. Any publicity is better than none at all. 2. The sport of Offshore Racing has damaged itself in a myriad of ways and continues to do so in the eyes of both sponsors and TV media types. The causes of this are too numerous to list (again), but I assure you that negativity on enthusiast websites is way down the list. We need to understand the difference between thoughtful criticism and "bashing". The former is needed for any endeavour to move forward, the latter is simply a release of frustration or an unwarranted attack. Welcome to OSO Nautdesign....... It's nice to see points made in such an articulate and urbane fashion. T2x |
Originally Posted by T2x
(Post 3210282)
I don't think this guy was "bashing" or greatly out of line. The JBS team has continuously walked around with their pants down around their ankles in a lot of their posts.
It has always seemed to me that anyone with a big power, mega boat gets an inordinate amount of respect on this website simply for writing a check, regardless of whether or not the boater in question has an ounce of class, skill, or common sense. (some do, some don't). As far as the "concern" that criticisms on the web could be damaging to potential sponsors, I submit the following: 1. Any publicity is better than none at all. 2. The sport of Offshore Racing has damaged itself in a myriad of ways and continues to do so in the eyes of both sponsors and TV media types. The causes of this are too numerous to list (again), but I assure you that negativity on enthusiast websites is way down the list. We need to understand the difference between thoughtful criticism and "bashing". The former is needed for any endeavour to move forward, the latter is simply a release of frustration or an unwarranted attack. Welcome to OSO Nautdesign....... It's nice to see points made in such an articulate and urbane fashion. T2x http://www.powerboatmag.com/marc-granet-s-blog/ |
Originally Posted by T2x
(Post 3210282)
I don't think this guy was "bashing" or greatly out of line. The JBS team has continuously walked around with their pants down around their ankles in a lot of their posts.
It has always seemed to me that anyone with a big power, mega boat gets an inordinate amount of respect on this website simply for writing a check, regardless of whether or not the boater in question has an ounce of class, skill, or common sense. (some do, some don't). As far as the "concern" that criticisms on the web could be damaging to potential sponsors, I submit the following: 1. Any publicity is better than none at all. 2. The sport of Offshore Racing has damaged itself in a myriad of ways and continues to do so in the eyes of both sponsors and TV media types. The causes of this are too numerous to list (again), but I assure you that negativity on enthusiast websites is way down the list. We need to understand the difference between thoughtful criticism and "bashing". The former is needed for any endeavour to move forward, the latter is simply a release of frustration or an unwarranted attack. Welcome to OSO Nautdesign....... It's nice to see points made in such an articulate and urbane fashion. T2x
Originally Posted by Poker~N~Run
(Post 3210400)
I do not know JBS so this is in general. I raced for years and I will tell you most drivers can be dicks. Its called ego. Thinking and knowing your the best. If you think your just ok well that the first step to second place. A driver without some swagger is usually an "also ran". I wasnt much on talking trash because if you end up having a bad day you have to eat crow and deflect the real problems. Now drivers and owners do talk trash to each other the public just doesnt get to see it. Thats competition and it happens on or off the track. Even when men were gentlemen and I think most still are intimidation is a big factor. You stare someone down, bump them while on a restart and get in their head. Like Earnhardt smiling at you in your mirror. You knew what was about to happen.
The mind games that go in in the pits often have a big result on the track. Much more to being a winning race driver than being a quick one. |
Originally Posted by T2x
(Post 3210282)
I don't think this guy was "bashing" or greatly out of line. The JBS team has continuously walked around with their pants down around their ankles in a lot of their posts.
It has always seemed to me that anyone with a big power, mega boat gets an inordinate amount of respect on this website simply for writing a check, regardless of whether or not the boater in question has an ounce of class, skill, or common sense. (some do, some don't). As far as the "concern" that criticisms on the web could be damaging to potential sponsors, I submit the following: 1. Any publicity is better than none at all. 2. The sport of Offshore Racing has damaged itself in a myriad of ways and continues to do so in the eyes of both sponsors and TV media types. The causes of this are too numerous to list (again), but I assure you that negativity on enthusiast websites is way down the list. We need to understand the difference between thoughtful criticism and "bashing". The former is needed for any endeavour to move forward, the latter is simply a release of frustration or an unwarranted attack. Welcome to OSO Nautdesign....... It's nice to see points made in such an articulate and urbane fashion. T2x Racers such as David Scott and Steve David do set a standard that is exemplary and show true class and dignity. Sam |
Originally Posted by T2x
(Post 3210282)
I don't think this guy was "bashing" or greatly out of line. The JBS team has continuously walked around with their pants down around their ankles in a lot of their posts.
It has always seemed to me that anyone with a big power, mega boat gets an inordinate amount of respect on this website simply for writing a check, regardless of whether or not the boater in question has an ounce of class, skill, or common sense. (some do, some don't). As far as the "concern" that criticisms on the web could be damaging to potential sponsors, I submit the following: 1. Any publicity is better than none at all. 2. The sport of Offshore Racing has damaged itself in a myriad of ways and continues to do so in the eyes of both sponsors and TV media types. The causes of this are too numerous to list (again), but I assure you that negativity on enthusiast websites is way down the list. We need to understand the difference between thoughtful criticism and "bashing". The former is needed for any endeavour to move forward, the latter is simply a release of frustration or an unwarranted attack. Welcome to OSO Nautdesign....... It's nice to see points made in such an articulate and urbane fashion. T2x JBS Crew- I have been rude in deferring my response to you so I’ll be certain to reply this weekend. |
Originally Posted by nautdesign1
(Post 3208606)
He could reduce the prominence of his own initials, dramatically positioned and at great size on his boat, or even take the drastic step of reducing the size of his blown up face on the side of his tow vehicles?
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Cavanti53
There is nothing wrong with any of the posts. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and like one of the other members said, this all makes for stimulating reading.
I wish Miss Geico and Aquamania ran at LOTO as well. More impressive than most anyone was some of the smaller Skaters hitting the speeds that they did. If the Mercedes Boat can hit 193mph top speed and the turbines easliy 200mph + and they hit 150's and 180's respectively than the Nauti and Skater numbers were super impressive on a 1 mile course. I am just happy that with this economy we still have events like this going on and all of the poker runs and racing. I love seeing the youtube videos and all of the professional pics from Naples, FreezeFrame, Sharkey, and others. Take it easy guys....Thank God for our troops fighting for our freedom so that we can do any of this. |
Originally Posted by nautdesign1
(Post 3210858)
… well this is encouraging. I’ve also received private messages of support so there certainly appears to be a marked degree of bilateralism here.
JBS Crew- I have been rude in deferring my response to you so I’ll be certain to reply this weekend. |
Originally Posted by thisistank
(Post 3210564)
Not that I'm picking sides but then you have those like Marc Granet (Miss Geico) that dedicates a whole blog to accepting responsibility and taking accountability for his own actions...Kind've refreshing to see in any sport (or aspect of life for that matter)....
http://www.powerboatmag.com/marc-granet-s-blog/ |
Originally Posted by PARADISE ISLAND
(Post 3210948)
:bsflag:You jumped on the bean wagon after the retard remark:lolhit:As far as Mr legend (in his own mind)stated about media&sponsors can you show the facts instead of claiming all the other racers have ethics&class&respect:bsflag::evilb:
Paradise Island You are right on point here a whole lot of BS! Did anyone read the first post by Nautdesign1 a run on sentence/paragraph with a hidden agenda to which I still do not know what the goal is with this thread. All this pontification makes me want to vomit--- words like "bilateralism" and "urbane" is that how you speak to people in public...may be in some urbane coffee shop while drinking your refined soy latte of the day. Gimme a break let me know when you get your man card back. Nautdesign1 what is it you really want to say stop dancing around the topic if you want to call out JBS then say it:angry-smiley-038:. Then again your probably too busy with your deferred schedule to write in such forums. KAP P.S. Nautdesign1, I do not know who you are but if an ordinary performance boater said the things you do about a well known team they would be hide heeled to their keyboard. Carry on, I gotta get going my schedule now has several conflicts due to my writing in your urbane thread. |
I've read this post a couple of times and am still baffled-didn't want to use too big of a word there. You're insulting someone for using a word like bilateralism or urbane. Why is that? Because they sound too intelligent? I hate coffee shops, and coffee, for that matter, but feel quite comfortable using words made up of more than two syllables in everyday conversation.
Originally Posted by kap328
(Post 3211130)
Comment:
Paradise Island You are right on point here a whole lot of BS! Did anyone read the first post by Nautdesign1 a run on sentence/paragraph with a hidden agenda to which I still do not know what the goal is with this thread. All this pontification makes me want to vomit--- words like "bilateralism" and "urbane" is that how you speak to people in public...may be in some urbane coffee shop while drinking your refined soy latte of the day. Gimme a break let me know when you get your man card back. Nautdesign1 what is it you really want to say stop dancing around the topic if you want to call out JBS then say it:angry-smiley-038:. Then again your probably too busy with your deferred schedule to write in such forums. KAP P.S. Nautdesign1, I do not know who you are but if an ordinary performance boater said the things you do about a well known team they would be hide heeled to their keyboard. Carry on, I gotta get going my schedule now has several conflicts due to my writing in your urbane thread. |
Rich (T2x) always makes good points when it comes to offshore racing for a couple of reasons. First, he's a bright guy. Second, he's a keen observer with a great memory. He has seen offshore racing run through its continuous bell curve-like cycle again and again.
One point he made is worth repeating: The major corporate sponsors of America are not trolling the message boards to determine how and where they will spend their marketing dollars. So we probably shouldn't take ourselves too, too seriously. Discussion is important and we have to take the good with the bad. To the larger point raised here: Offshore racers such as Marc Granet, David Scott, John Tomlinson and many, many others have given relative newcomers to the sport an excellent model to emulate. There is a general attitude that prevails today along the lines of, "It ain't bragging if you back it up." And that's total crap. Bragging is bragging, regardless of result. Trash talking and all the rest is, to my old school way of thinking, classless. Plus, it's amateur. I prefer the expression, "Act like you've been there before." That one will never let you down when it comes to representing yourself with dignity. Now, I've seen a few posts from the JBS crew that I've found more than a little offensive. And I think I may have even responded to one or two of them. But I also want to say that during interviews with Jeff Stevenson, his wife Jaimee and throttleman Joe Skrocki at the Shootout all three were gracious and humble. I watched them mix with the fans, and there were smiles all around. That's what I observed. |
Originally Posted by kap328
(Post 3211130)
Comment:
Paradise Island You are right on point here a whole lot of BS! Did anyone read the first post by Nautdesign1 a run on sentence/paragraph with a hidden agenda to which I still do not know what the goal is with this thread. All this pontification makes me want to vomit--- words like "bilateralism" and "urbane" is that how you speak to people in public...may be in some urbane coffee shop while drinking your refined soy latte of the day. Gimme a break let me know when you get your man card back. Nautdesign1 what is it you really want to say stop dancing around the topic if you want to call out JBS then say it:angry-smiley-038:. Then again your probably too busy with your deferred schedule to write in such forums. KAP P.S. Nautdesign1, I do not know who you are but if an ordinary performance boater said the things you do about a well known team they would be hide heeled to their keyboard. Carry on, I gotta get going my schedule now has several conflicts due to my writing in your urbane thread. While we're at it, bilateralism is just about as big a word as pontification. And finally, who used the word urbane first? T2x I believe. Perhaps you should call him out! :grinser010: |
Originally Posted by kap328
(Post 3211130)
Comment:
Paradise Island You are right on point here a whole lot of BS! Did anyone read the first post by Nautdesign1 a run on sentence/paragraph with a hidden agenda to which I still do not know what the goal is with this thread. All this pontification makes me want to vomit--- words like "bilateralism" and "urbane" is that how you speak to people in public...may be in some urbane coffee shop while drinking your refined soy latte of the day. Gimme a break let me know when you get your man card back. Nautdesign1 what is it you really want to say stop dancing around the topic if you want to call out JBS then say it:angry-smiley-038:. Then again your probably too busy with your deferred schedule to write in such forums. KAP P.S. Nautdesign1, I do not know who you are but if an ordinary performance boater said the things you do about a well known team they would be hide heeled to their keyboard. Carry on, I gotta get going my schedule now has several conflicts due to my writing in your urbane thread. Is that the reasoned delivery and language you prefer? I apologize if T2X’s “big” words are confusing and you find my writing style irritating to your sensibilities, but don’t try and make this into an education or social-economic issue. Hard work and passion for achievement will always trump education or wealth in my book. As I have mentioned before please have a look at the message rather than the messenger-and with an open mind. You may find the experience enlightening. My apologies for the run-on sentence, ND1 |
Originally Posted by JBS Crew
(Post 3209103)
If you have such strong feelings towards Jeff or any other team members of JBS Racing feel free to share your real name and number and I would be happy to have a civilized conversation with you. Those on the outside of offshore racing have no idea of the sacrafices and hard work that go into just making a race, let alone compete at the highest level risking lives and wealth.
As a member of JBS Racing for the past 6 years I hope that JBS Racing has brought some enjoyment to the fans of offshore racing. A big thanks to all our fans and supporters. 1) I fully understand the pressures and strains of running a campaign such as yours together with the burden it must place on Mr. JBS and his family -but no one is forcing him to do this. By bashing his competitors and suppliers on a public forum do you actually think he becomes a sympathetic character? 2) Do you not acknowledge these same pressures are placed upon his competitors? 3) Why is that you don’t see his competitors bashing Mr. JBS or their suppliers on a public forum -or blaming everyone but themselves when matters go amiss? 4) It appears that your sole motivation for having a private conversation is to remove this potentially negative discussion from airing publicly. However if Mr. JBS chooses to promote himself as a public person and attempts to build a brand based upon his own self image, is that not a privilege he foregoes? 5) Also given he did not avail Mr. Cosker or Turbine Marine the same privilege of privacy don’t you find the spirit of that request a trifle hypocritical? |
Originally Posted by nautdesign1
(Post 3211157)
JBS is a F*&^ d0uche and you are an A$$hole that can shut the F%$$ up.
I love key board rambos:picard1: must be a real well known guy to hide behind a new screen name |
The way you quoted nautdesign1 is out of context. Kind of like this:
Originally Posted by packinair
(Post 3211167)
:gfight: I love key board rambos :gfight:
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Originally Posted by packinair
(Post 3211167)
well that settles it, this guy is clearly a credible, first class professional
I love key board rambos:picard1: must be a real well known guy to hide behind a new screen name ……………..oh never mind |
I got it!:drink:
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[QUOTE=nautdesign1;3211157]JBS is a F*&^ d0uche and you are an A$$hole that can shut the F%$$ up.
Class act all the way. You come on here, because you don't like the way Jeff Stevenson talked about somebody, and I'll be damned if you haven't done exactly what you are accusing him of doing. |
Originally Posted by purrfection
(Post 3211202)
Class act all the way. You come on here, because you don't like the way Jeff Stevenson talked about somebody, and I'll be damned if you haven't done exactly what you are accusing him of doing.
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Originally Posted by nautdesign1
(Post 3211157)
JBS is a F*&^ d0uche and you are an A$$hole that can shut the F%$$ up.
Is that the reasoned delivery and language you prefer? I apologize if T2X’s “big” words are confusing and you find my writing style irritating to your sensibilities, but don’t try and make this into an education or social-economic issue. Hard work and passion for achievement will always trump education or wealth in my book. As I have mentioned before please have a look at the message rather than the messenger-and with an open mind. You may find the experience enlightening. My apologies for the run-on sentence, ND1 Yeah! That is more like it... rather than pu ss y footing around with what you really want to say. As for your reference to me as an "asz h0 le and shut the f up" at least I know what is on your mind. Keep trying maybe you will get your man card back. I don't know how you do things in real life but if you want to call someone out do so. Oh! and another thing if you post in a public forum it is open to discussion from anyone. Let me know when your nut swingers are done helping you. A little FYI... I do not have anything against your point of view but if your gonna write stuff like this in an open forum or subscribe to it get ready "hot rod" it is not all civility. I'd rather read hey! This is so and so and I'm really am tired of all the bull**** with JBS talking trash etc... and call them out directly. What are you trying to do put white table cloths out if your gonna take the golves off--- do so! Got it! You talk sh it to me because you do not know me but your real target is getting the kid glove treatment. F' ing unbelieveable. KAP |
[QUOTE=purrfection;3211202]
Originally Posted by nautdesign1
(Post 3211157)
JBS is a F*&^ d0uche and you are an A$$hole that can shut the F%$$ up.
Class act all the way. You come on here, because you don't like the way Jeff Stevenson talked about somebody, and I'll be damned if you haven't done exactly what you are accusing him of doing. |
[QUOTE=LubeJobs42;3211212]
Originally Posted by purrfection
(Post 3211202)
He was joking. |
[QUOTE=purrfection;3211202]
Originally Posted by nautdesign1
(Post 3211157)
JBS is a F*&^ d0uche and you are an A$$hole that can shut the F%$$ up.
Class act all the way. You come on here, because you don't like the way Jeff Stevenson talked about somebody, and I'll be damned if you haven't done exactly what you are accusing him of doing. This chap thought I should “man up” as the language I use was too “Urbane” for his taste so I made a sarcastic reply in a form of language that I thought he might relate to. Damn -I need a beer…sorry… I mean a refined soy latte of the day.............................. |
[QUOTE=LubeJobs42;3211212]
Originally Posted by purrfection
(Post 3211202)
He was joking. No! he is not joking rather he is trying to make a point. If he were joking he would have put j/k after the comment. I did not take it as a joke. KAP |
Originally Posted by kap328
(Post 3211227)
You know this how?
No! he is not joking rather he is trying to make a point. If he were joking he would have put j/k after the comment. I did not take it as a joke. KAP |
Ya'll need to get laid.
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[QUOTE=nautdesign1;3211226]
Originally Posted by purrfection
(Post 3211202)
I can’t believe I really need to spell this out ………… This chap thought I should “man up” as the language I use was too “Urbane” for his taste so I made a sarcastic reply in a form of language that I thought he might relate to. Damn -I need a beer…sorry… I mean a refined soy latte of the day.............................. Yup you got it! I can relate to that stuff and I'm sure JBS racing will get the point. No polished language needed... all this dancing around sh it. I thought you Mid-Westerners tell it like it is. Hey pops, this Chap thinks you should open up a can of whoop ass and not hold back especially if your gonna open one up in a public forum. Got it:drink:. I grow tired of those who sweep everything under the rug and then in the back room talking smack. KAP P.S. You never know who the hell your talking to in a public forum:eek:. [QUOTE]P.P.S. Nautdesign1 wrote in his first post OK –I really don’t have time for this but someone really needs to state the obvious.[/QUOTE] Where is that guy with the glass house reference. |
so are you going to tell us who you are or continue to hide behind your computer?
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Originally Posted by mastercraft240
(Post 3211229)
Ya'll need to get laid.
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