Originally Posted by T2x (Post 3210282)

I don't think this guy was "bashing" or greatly out of line. The JBS team has continuously walked around with their pants down around their ankles in a lot of their posts.

It has always seemed to me that anyone with a big power, mega boat gets an inordinate amount of respect on this website simply for writing a check, regardless of whether or not the boater in question has an ounce of class, skill, or common sense. (some do, some don't). As far as the "concern" that criticisms on the web could be damaging to potential sponsors, I submit the following:

1. Any publicity is better than none at all.
2. The sport of Offshore Racing has damaged itself in a myriad of ways and continues to do so in the eyes of both sponsors and TV media types. The causes of this are too numerous to list (again), but I assure you that negativity on enthusiast websites is way down the list.

We need to understand the difference between thoughtful criticism and "bashing". The former is needed for any endeavour to move forward, the latter is simply a release of frustration or an unwarranted attack.

Welcome to OSO Nautdesign....... It's nice to see points made in such an articulate and urbane fashion.

T2x

Originally Posted by T2x (Post 3210282)

I don't think this guy was "bashing" or greatly out of line. The JBS team has continuously walked around with their pants down around their ankles in a lot of their posts.

It has always seemed to me that anyone with a big power, mega boat gets an inordinate amount of respect on this website simply for writing a check, regardless of whether or not the boater in question has an ounce of class, skill, or common sense. (some do, some don't). As far as the "concern" that criticisms on the web could be damaging to potential sponsors, I submit the following:

1. Any publicity is better than none at all.
2. The sport of Offshore Racing has damaged itself in a myriad of ways and continues to do so in the eyes of both sponsors and TV media types. The causes of this are too numerous to list (again), but I assure you that negativity on enthusiast websites is way down the list.

We need to understand the difference between thoughtful criticism and "bashing". The former is needed for any endeavour to move forward, the latter is simply a release of frustration or an unwarranted attack.

Welcome to OSO Nautdesign....... It's nice to see points made in such an articulate and urbane fashion.

T2x

Originally Posted by Poker~N~Run (Post 3210400)

I do not know JBS so this is in general. I raced for years and I will tell you most drivers can be dicks. Its called ego. Thinking and knowing your the best. If you think your just ok well that the first step to second place. A driver without some swagger is usually an "also ran". I wasnt much on talking trash because if you end up having a bad day you have to eat crow and deflect the real problems. Now drivers and owners do talk trash to each other the public just doesnt get to see it. Thats competition and it happens on or off the track. Even when men were gentlemen and I think most still are intimidation is a big factor. You stare someone down, bump them while on a restart and get in their head. Like Earnhardt smiling at you in your mirror. You knew what was about to happen.

Originally Posted by T2x (Post 3210282)

I don't think this guy was "bashing" or greatly out of line. The JBS team has continuously walked around with their pants down around their ankles in a lot of their posts.

It has always seemed to me that anyone with a big power, mega boat gets an inordinate amount of respect on this website simply for writing a check, regardless of whether or not the boater in question has an ounce of class, skill, or common sense. (some do, some don't). As far as the "concern" that criticisms on the web could be damaging to potential sponsors, I submit the following:

1. Any publicity is better than none at all.
2. The sport of Offshore Racing has damaged itself in a myriad of ways and continues to do so in the eyes of both sponsors and TV media types. The causes of this are too numerous to list (again), but I assure you that negativity on enthusiast websites is way down the list.

We need to understand the difference between thoughtful criticism and "bashing". The former is needed for any endeavour to move forward, the latter is simply a release of frustration or an unwarranted attack.

Welcome to OSO Nautdesign....... It's nice to see points made in such an articulate and urbane fashion.

T2x

Originally Posted by T2x (Post 3210282)

I don't think this guy was "bashing" or greatly out of line. The JBS team has continuously walked around with their pants down around their ankles in a lot of their posts.

It has always seemed to me that anyone with a big power, mega boat gets an inordinate amount of respect on this website simply for writing a check, regardless of whether or not the boater in question has an ounce of class, skill, or common sense. (some do, some don't). As far as the "concern" that criticisms on the web could be damaging to potential sponsors, I submit the following:

1. Any publicity is better than none at all.
2. The sport of Offshore Racing has damaged itself in a myriad of ways and continues to do so in the eyes of both sponsors and TV media types. The causes of this are too numerous to list (again), but I assure you that negativity on enthusiast websites is way down the list.

We need to understand the difference between thoughtful criticism and "bashing". The former is needed for any endeavour to move forward, the latter is simply a release of frustration or an unwarranted attack.

Welcome to OSO Nautdesign....... It's nice to see points made in such an articulate and urbane fashion.

T2x

Originally Posted by nautdesign1 (Post 3208606)

He could reduce the prominence of his own initials, dramatically positioned and at great size on his boat, or even take the drastic step of reducing the size of his blown up face on the side of his tow vehicles?

Originally Posted by nautdesign1 (Post 3210858)

… well this is encouraging. I’ve also received private messages of support so there certainly appears to be a marked degree of bilateralism here.

JBS Crew- I have been rude in deferring my response to you so I’ll be certain to reply this weekend.

Originally Posted by thisistank (Post 3210564)

Not that I'm picking sides but then you have those like Marc Granet (Miss Geico) that dedicates a whole blog to accepting responsibility and taking accountability for his own actions...Kind've refreshing to see in any sport (or aspect of life for that matter)....

http://www.powerboatmag.com/marc-granet-s-blog/

Originally Posted by PARADISE ISLAND (Post 3210948)

:bsflag:You jumped on the bean wagon after the retard remark:lolhit:As far as Mr legend (in his own mind)stated about media&sponsors can you show the facts instead of claiming all the other racers have ethics&class&respect:bsflag::evilb:

Originally Posted by kap328 (Post 3211130)

Comment:

Paradise Island You are right on point here a whole lot of BS!

Did anyone read the first post by Nautdesign1 a run on sentence/paragraph with a hidden agenda to which I still do not know what the goal is with this thread.

All this pontification makes me want to vomit--- words like "bilateralism" and "urbane" is that how you speak to people in public...may be in some urbane coffee shop while drinking your refined soy latte of the day. Gimme a break let me know when you get your man card back.

Nautdesign1 what is it you really want to say stop dancing around the topic if you want to call out JBS then say it:angry-smiley-038:. Then again your probably too busy with your deferred schedule to write in such forums.

KAP
P.S. Nautdesign1, I do not know who you are but if an ordinary performance boater said the things you do about a well known team they would be hide heeled to their keyboard. Carry on, I gotta get going my schedule now has several conflicts due to my writing in your urbane thread.