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dogghouse 11-01-2010 08:01 PM

Swing away trailer tongue….
 
This may be a crazy idea but I’m just going to toss it out there so you guys can tell me what y’all think.

I have a 36 Spectre and on the trailer it’s a little to long to fit in my shop. I can always extend my shop and I’m not apposed to that but if I can install this tongue it will save me a good bit of money.

Will it work?

Thanks
-Nate

2Slow4me 11-01-2010 09:27 PM


Originally Posted by dogghouse (Post 3243980)
This may be a crazy idea but I’m just going to toss it out there so you guys can tell me what y’all think.

I have a 36 Spectre and on the trailer it’s a little to long to fit in my shop. I can always extend my shop and I’m not apposed to that but if I can install this tongue it will save me a good bit of money.

Will it work?

Thanks
-Nate

Never seen one on a trailer that large, and I doubt a pivot would be safe.

You might be able to make a sliding tongue. (similar concept like the hydraulic trailers the marina's use for multiple boats)

jayboat 11-01-2010 09:38 PM

No!
 
Does not sound like a good idea AT ALL. Think about all the force applied at that joint with a 10,000 lb boat bouncing along at highway speed.

Had a buddy back in NC with a Fountain CC- trailer was 18" longer than his garage. He cut a notch about 4" wide out of the garage door and let it hang out. Worked fine. :drink:

MiniHawk 11-01-2010 09:40 PM


Originally Posted by jayboat (Post 3244075)
Does not sound like a good idea AT ALL. Think about all the force applied at that joint with a 10,000 lb boat bouncing along at highway speed.

Had a buddy back in NC with a Fountain CC- trailer was 18" longer than his garage. He cut a notch about 4" wide out of the garage door and let it hang out. Worked fine. :drink:

Sent you PM..

X-Rated30 11-01-2010 10:20 PM

It would depend on the trailer. A good engineer could make a pivot for most trailers that would make the rest of the trailer the weak link. That being said, cost will become an issue. You might also want to consider aesthetics and ease of use.

Audiofn 11-01-2010 10:34 PM

Can you slide the boat up on the trailer, then move the bunks and axels forward and then cut off the extra off the back?

dogghouse 11-01-2010 10:35 PM


Originally Posted by MiniHawk (Post 3244076)
Sent you PM..

I did not get your PM.... my email is [email protected]

dogghouse 11-01-2010 10:37 PM


Originally Posted by Audiofn (Post 3244099)
Can you slide the boat up on the trailer, then move the bunks and axels forward and then cut off the extra off the back?

I had a idea something like that also.... I can only go up about 2ft. I need 3ft.

Griff 11-02-2010 01:24 AM

I don't think it can be done safely for a trailer that large. I would just extend the shop.

Audiofn 11-02-2010 02:22 AM

Why can you only go up 2 feet? Can you get a picture of the front of the trailer up?

Too Stroked 11-02-2010 06:08 AM

I'll just give you the answer that I give most of our customers that ask if a given boat / trailer will fit in their garage. "If you back it in fast enough the first time..."

jmeng 11-02-2010 06:16 AM

Probably a stupid question Nate but are you trimming the outdrives down? Had to do that with mine when I kept it on the trailer. Dropped over a foot off of the overall lenght.

SS930 11-02-2010 06:52 AM

What type of construction is the existing trailer?

I'd look into making it so the tongue could be slid back and locked into position. Construct it much like the receiver for your truck hitch... just longer and with a couple of real beefy pins.

Jpzaluski 11-02-2010 07:24 AM

I manufacture large renewable energy trailers (mild steel) that regularly exceed 10k lbs. We often build trailers with either removable or swinging tongues for security or space concerns. As someone stated earlier, properly engineered anything is possible. I would look into either a telescoping tongue or possibly a sleeved tongue that you could remove. Just remember, overbuilding is NOT engineering.

the bear 11-02-2010 08:17 AM

I have seen them on 34' boats, but it was a removeable tounge, it had to be bolted on and off, the dealer recomended you use an impact to tighten the six bolts. I think Ziemen out of Arizona made it.

Tom A. 11-02-2010 08:19 AM

I am in heavy highway construction and all of our message board trailers and many larger trailers have removable tongues for anti-theft. They are heavy duty steel square box sleeves with two pins holding them in. They work on the same principle as a truck hitch into a receiver where the sleeve supports the weight and the pins just keep it in place.

ActiveFun 11-02-2010 09:53 AM

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I saw this pic on another site and wasnt sure the purpose of this type of trailer.

Too Stroked 11-02-2010 11:06 AM

Yes, that's a very light duty version of what's being kicked around here.

topgun 38 11-02-2010 12:04 PM

Hey Nate, I say try it see what happens.

VetteLT193 11-02-2010 01:20 PM


Originally Posted by Tom A. (Post 3244270)
I am in heavy highway construction and all of our message board trailers and many larger trailers have removable tongues for anti-theft. They are heavy duty steel square box sleeves with two pins holding them in. They work on the same principle as a truck hitch into a receiver where the sleeve supports the weight and the pins just keep it in place.

This is exactly what I was thinking. Everyone is saying it isn't going to be safe to have something fold away or removable but that is exactly what is on the back of all of our vehicles. the whole system rides on a single pin for most of us. so yes, it can be done, and it can't be that hard.

dogghouse 11-02-2010 05:52 PM


Originally Posted by topgun 38 (Post 3244464)
Hey Nate, I say try it see what happens.

only you dude..... thanks! lol

dogghouse 11-02-2010 05:52 PM


Originally Posted by jmeng (Post 3244188)
Probably a stupid question Nate but are you trimming the outdrives down? Had to do that with mine when I kept it on the trailer. Dropped over a foot off of the overall lenght.

yep tried that...

dogghouse 11-02-2010 06:11 PM

I have surge brakes witch I’m going to remove regardless and put electric over hydraulic. I know I can cut the trailer and put a shorter tongue on it witch is probably the route I’m going to take and hopefully that will shorten it enough. I just wanted to see what you guys thought. I like the removable idea also….

Thanks for the feedback.

BY U BOY 11-02-2010 08:48 PM

My trailer has a removable tounge. Same concept as the receiver hitch on your truck. Has 2 pins that hold it in place. No issues with it since I have had it in 7 years. If I removed it I would say my trailer would be 2 feet shorter.

This is the route you should go over the swing away.IMO

2Slow4me 11-05-2010 12:31 AM


Originally Posted by Jpzaluski (Post 3244222)
I manufacture large renewable energy trailers (mild steel) that regularly exceed 10k lbs. We often build trailers with either removable or swinging tongues for security or space concerns. As someone stated earlier, properly engineered anything is possible. I would look into either a telescoping tongue or possibly a sleeved tongue that you could remove. Just remember, overbuilding is NOT engineering.

See, I thought that could be done!

VetteLT193 11-05-2010 08:01 AM


Originally Posted by dogghouse (Post 3244749)
I have surge brakes witch I’m going to remove regardless and put electric over hydraulic. I know I can cut the trailer and put a shorter tongue on it witch is probably the route I’m going to take and hopefully that will shorten it enough. I just wanted to see what you guys thought. I like the removable idea also….

Thanks for the feedback.

shortening the trailer will change the balance. If it trailers fine as is, i.e., straight and it doesn't want to wander or wag, you should keep the length approx. the same to keep the balance the same.

Brad Zastrow 11-05-2010 09:31 AM

I would rethink the shorten the tongue idea. On a cat when you make a sharp turn the sponson tips can come real close to hitting your tow vehicle. Shorter could cause real problems.

US1 Fountain 11-05-2010 10:46 AM


Originally Posted by VetteLT193 (Post 3246882)
shortening the trailer will change the balance. If it trailers fine as is, i.e., straight and it doesn't want to wander or wag, you should keep the length approx. the same to keep the balance the same.

He's not changing the balance. The boat is staying at the same position over the axles. It may wag a little more with a shorter wheel base though if the tongue is cut shorter


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