Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 3283501)

OK Kid, I'll explain...since you just don't get it. Look at the above two posts from the "rough water boats" thread. In the first, you proclaim that you know alot of people who aren't happy with Pantera....then do a 180 when called on it...but throw in a lil cheerleading for Outerlimits. 99.9% of the people who frequent this website know that outerlimits builds an awesome boat, but it is a boat that very few can afford. That's a fact. In the past year, you post on every phucking thread how great Outerlimits are and how everything else sucks (except for Sutphens). Someone starts a thread asking what peoples opinions are between a Cig 46 and a 43 Nor-Tech...and here you come telling everyone how far superior an OL is to both of them. See what I mean?? I owned a Sutphen for 14 years. I know that they are well built boats......and so are Outerlimits, but I work for a living, own a house, just finished putting two kids through college, have three boats that are paid for, etc. We have a rule in my house and that simple rule is that toys don't get financed. An Outerlimits is out of my budget range. Period. I certainly don't think that my kevlar 1988 Cigarette with 800's and #6 drives is superior to every boat out there, but I love the chit out of it and it's mine.
I've never met you, don't know you, and have nothing against you. I started this thread because it's winter, it's cold as chit, it's snowing outside, the wind is blowing like a MoFo and I thought it would be a good winter time thread for the site. Don't get your panties all in a wad. Post your opinion on which brand is better! :D

Hopefully you can take this constructive criticism and see that you are doing more damage to OL than you are helping them. Part of growing up is learning how to laugh at yourself. Try it!! ;):)

Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 3283501)

OK Kid, I'll explain...since you just don't get it. Look at the above two posts from the "rough water boats" thread. In the first, you proclaim that you know alot of people who aren't happy with Pantera....then do a 180 when called on it...but throw in a lil cheerleading for Outerlimits. 99.9% of the people who frequent this website know that outerlimits builds an awesome boat, but it is a boat that very few can afford. That's a fact. In the past year, you post on every phucking thread how great Outerlimits are and how everything else sucks (except for Sutphens). Someone starts a thread asking what peoples opinions are between a Cig 46 and a 43 Nor-Tech...and here you come telling everyone how far superior an OL is to both of them. See what I mean?? I owned a Sutphen for 14 years. I know that they are well built boats......and so are Outerlimits, but I work for a living, own a house, just finished putting two kids through college, have three boats that are paid for, etc. We have a rule in my house and that simple rule is that toys don't get financed. An Outerlimits is out of my budget range. Period. I certainly don't think that my kevlar 1988 Cigarette with 800's and #6 drives is superior to every boat out there, but I love the chit out of it and it's mine.
I've never met you, don't know you, and have nothing against you. I started this thread because it's winter, it's cold as chit, it's snowing outside, the wind is blowing like a MoFo and I thought it would be a good winter time thread for the site. Don't get your panties all in a wad. Post your opinion on which brand is better! :D

Hopefully you can take this constructive criticism and see that you are doing more damage to OL than you are helping them. Part of growing up is learning how to laugh at yourself. Try it!! ;):)

Originally Posted by catastrophe (Post 3283542)

Who gives a chit anyways ?

There are 10 guys on here that can buy anything they want, the rest of the folks buy what is made available to them at a certain point in their life.

The criteria about how any boat handles in rough water is so far down the list of whats important it doesnt really matter.

Whether you have a local support shop or dealer close by is more important than how fast you can make a boat go or how big the waves are when you go play with it.

90% of the people on here cant afford to bust up their toy in rough seas anyway or risk blowing it up by pushing their engines to the limits.

I suggest that the number of cup holders that are in the boat and whether your wives like it and whether your kids are safe in it far outweigh the rest of the dialogue.

People should learn to love what their family can afford rather than worry about what sticker is glued on the side.

In todays marketplace and economic environment any boat builder that doesnt provide a very well built product wouldnt exist.

Just have fun with what ya got and enjoy the experience you can afford, safely and share it all with your family and friends.

Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 3283501)

OK Kid, I'll explain...since you just don't get it. Look at the above two posts from the "rough water boats" thread. In the first, you proclaim that you know alot of people who aren't happy with Pantera....then do a 180 when called on it...but throw in a lil cheerleading for Outerlimits. 99.9% of the people who frequent this website know that outerlimits builds an awesome boat, but it is a boat that very few can afford. That's a fact. In the past year, you post on every phucking thread how great Outerlimits are and how everything else sucks (except for Sutphens). Someone starts a thread asking what peoples opinions are between a Cig 46 and a 43 Nor-Tech...and here you come telling everyone how far superior an OL is to both of them. See what I mean?? I owned a Sutphen for 14 years. I know that they are well built boats......and so are Outerlimits, but I work for a living, own a house, just finished putting two kids through college, have three boats that are paid for, etc. We have a rule in my house and that simple rule is that toys don't get financed. An Outerlimits is out of my budget range. Period. I certainly don't think that my kevlar 1988 Cigarette with 800's and #6 drives is superior to every boat out there, but I love the chit out of it and it's mine.
I've never met you, don't know you, and have nothing against you. I started this thread because it's winter, it's cold as chit, it's snowing outside, the wind is blowing like a MoFo and I thought it would be a good winter time thread for the site. Don't get your panties all in a wad. Post your opinion on which brand is better! :D

Hopefully you can take this constructive criticism and see that you are doing more damage to OL than you are helping them. Part of growing up is learning how to laugh at yourself. Try it!! ;):)

Originally Posted by fast fun 2 (Post 3283551)

But an Outerlimits is the safest boat ever built! :grinser010:

Originally Posted by catastrophe (Post 3283542)

Who gives a chit anyways ?

There are 10 guys on here that can buy anything they want, the rest of the folks buy what is made available to them at a certain point in their life.

The criteria about how any boat handles in rough water is so far down the list of whats important it doesnt really matter.

Whether you have a local support shop or dealer close by is more important than how fast you can make a boat go or how big the waves are when you go play with it.

90% of the people on here cant afford to bust up their toy in rough seas anyway or risk blowing it up by pushing their engines to the limits.

I suggest that the number of cup holders that are in the boat and whether your wives like it and whether your kids are safe in it far outweigh the rest of the dialogue.

People should learn to love what their family can afford rather than worry about what sticker is glued on the side.

In todays marketplace and economic environment any boat builder that doesnt provide a very well built product wouldnt exist.

Just have fun with what ya got and enjoy the experience you can afford, safely and share it all with your family and friends.

Originally Posted by fountain40icbm (Post 3283564)

No. I suggested to the guy looking at both that an OL is in his price range. Did you not see where he thought it was out of his range and would of included the OL??? I always said it was my opinion on how the Outerlimits could be a better offering since he was looking for speed and an luxury cabin. Did you not see all the people that own Cigarette's say buy a Cigarette?? Or all the Nor-Tech owners say buy a Nor-Tech? There is no difference between what I said and them.
The price of an Outerlimits is the same as a Cigarette. Its not an exclusive only millionaires club as many think. I also said what I said because I know information about peoples Pantera's that shouldnt be aired on a public forum. I personally thought the 41 Pantera came out nice. I was also just stating, since it was "the best rough water" thread which ended up best build quaity as well, that a Carbon/Epoxy built boat is will be stronger. I have never said Outerlimits is the best creation on the face of the earth. I laugh at myself all the time and its great that you enjoy your Cigarette. In light of this thread you should have been there when Richie Sutphen and I went over this subject for hours on end!!!:D:D

Originally Posted by fountain40icbm (Post 3283565)

Show me another Vee that rolls over(due to hard racing) at close to 120mph and the two walk away unscratched.:D:D :evilb: Just sayin.............:evilb: