Luxury Superboat?
01-17-2011, 07:16 PM
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I am going to give a little more information about myself to help understand what I am try to achieve.
I am an Industrial designer by trade. I have worked in the agricultural industry and in the Semi-truck interior design industry on previous internships. The way I tackle projects is I begin with research, then move on to sketching and rendering concepts. After I have reached a design I like I then move on to CAD where I sculpt in 3d. Usually after this I go on to getting the major parts of the model CNC milled or rapid prototyped I sand/paint or use clay to finish off the design in a scale model. Usually 1/5 or 1/8 scale. Hope this helps, so far you have all been great!
I am an Industrial designer by trade. I have worked in the agricultural industry and in the Semi-truck interior design industry on previous internships. The way I tackle projects is I begin with research, then move on to sketching and rendering concepts. After I have reached a design I like I then move on to CAD where I sculpt in 3d. Usually after this I go on to getting the major parts of the model CNC milled or rapid prototyped I sand/paint or use clay to finish off the design in a scale model. Usually 1/5 or 1/8 scale. Hope this helps, so far you have all been great!
01-17-2011, 07:17 PM
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just a thought and maybe in the future some day this mite be possible .
how about 2 light weight electric motor's that run off a single diesel generator " this would be a green idea "
of course the electric motor's will need to push around 1500 lbs + TQ and run at 6ooo rpm's +
to push something in the 45 to 50 foot range with some speed .
iv herd that electric motor's have a lot of TQ and can also push high rpm's , the hard part is making them light .
I think some of the big cruise ship's run this type of set up to be more efficient " green "
mike
how about 2 light weight electric motor's that run off a single diesel generator " this would be a green idea "
of course the electric motor's will need to push around 1500 lbs + TQ and run at 6ooo rpm's +
to push something in the 45 to 50 foot range with some speed .iv herd that electric motor's have a lot of TQ and can also push high rpm's , the hard part is making them light .
I think some of the big cruise ship's run this type of set up to be more efficient " green "
mike
01-17-2011, 07:19 PM
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01-17-2011, 07:21 PM
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Size- Upwards in the 50' or plus range, I understand steering and such would be compromised as you go out of the norm but I would like to focus on the "visual proportions" here. Example: How sports cars are lower to the ground with smaller front windshields. It gives the vehicle a sense of motion and speed.
Budget- Being that this is purely conceptual and mainly a "styling exercise" I would have to say the budget would be unlimited. I just need to be able to support why I chose to make certain features the way the were because It should still be fairly realistic project.
Purpose - Well the idea was to design sexy, sleek hi- performance boat the utilizes modern technologies to reduce emissions and "noise pollution". Beyond that I would like to try to justify how a hi performance boat in this category could be beneficial in the market if possible.
Speed- Based on what I have already stated what would be a good target speed? I think I need to do some research on the propulsion system before I can go ahead with this in any form. Is it possible to generate enough hp with an electric motor to be at performance speeds. 120-150 mph range?
Thanks a lot for your help, as I said before I have very little knowledge of watercrafts so thanks for trying to help out.
Budget- Being that this is purely conceptual and mainly a "styling exercise" I would have to say the budget would be unlimited. I just need to be able to support why I chose to make certain features the way the were because It should still be fairly realistic project.
Purpose - Well the idea was to design sexy, sleek hi- performance boat the utilizes modern technologies to reduce emissions and "noise pollution". Beyond that I would like to try to justify how a hi performance boat in this category could be beneficial in the market if possible.
Speed- Based on what I have already stated what would be a good target speed? I think I need to do some research on the propulsion system before I can go ahead with this in any form. Is it possible to generate enough hp with an electric motor to be at performance speeds. 120-150 mph range?
Thanks a lot for your help, as I said before I have very little knowledge of watercrafts so thanks for trying to help out.
I do not think an electrical engine would be practical for your design, but maybe someone on this site can help with that question. To go 120-150 mph in a 50' catarmaran, and add luxury to that boat, meaning adding weight to it, that will take a significant amount of horsepower (at least 1100+/- hp to go 120 mph, probably more horsepower per motor, two motors required reciprocating engines/piston power). Or better yet, go turbine engines which are done, and are efficient but expensive initially (costly $$$).
With respect to technology, the IPS or Pod drives will not get you above 50 mph, but with the Sky-Hook technology (it allows for a boat/vessel to hold its position with wind and current trying to push a boat, this is a significant plus for yacht owners) it is a great advancement in ease of operation (user friendly), and they require less fuel than V-drives (shaft propulsion with rudder and propeller), if you want to cut your optimum speed in half+.
Call Nortech, Mystic, Outerlimits, Statement Marine, and Skater they would be a good place to get ideas for your 120+ mph 50' catamaran. Each manufacturer produces a catamaran in that size range and easily capable of that speed. With respect to luxury and green design, ask each builder of your design intentions and you will get feedback.
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01-17-2011, 07:21 PM
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just a thought and maybe in the future some day this mite be possible .
how about 2 light weight electric motor's that run off a single diesel generator " this would be a green idea "
of course the electric motor's will need to push around 1500 lbs + TQ and run at 6ooo rpm's + to push something in the 45 to 50 foot range with some speed .
iv herd that electric motor's have a lot of TQ and can also push high rpm's , the hard part is making them light .
I think some of the big cruise ship's run this type of set up to be more efficient " green "
mike
how about 2 light weight electric motor's that run off a single diesel generator " this would be a green idea "
of course the electric motor's will need to push around 1500 lbs + TQ and run at 6ooo rpm's +
to push something in the 45 to 50 foot range with some speed .iv herd that electric motor's have a lot of TQ and can also push high rpm's , the hard part is making them light .
I think some of the big cruise ship's run this type of set up to be more efficient " green "
mike
01-17-2011, 07:24 PM
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You have one tough project if those are the design parameters. Go to the websites get your ideas and then call the manufactures, tell them what you are doing, and I feel fairly confident that if they have a minute to spare each manufacturer will talk with you and guide you in what is practical from the design build, and market aspect. And what the futue holds.
I do not think an electrical engine qwould be practical for your design, but maybe someone on this site can help with that question. To go 120-150 mph in a 50' catarmaran, and add luxury, meaning weight to it, that will take a significant amount of horsepower (at least 1100+/- hp to go 120 mph, probably more horsepower per motor, two motors required reciprocating engines/pistoon power). Or go turbine engines whcih are done, and are efficient (costly $$$).
With respect to technology, the IPS or Pod drives will not get you above 50 mph, but with the Sky-Hook technology (it allows for a boat/vessel to hold its position with wind and current trying to push a boat, this is a significant plus for yacht owners) it is a great advancement in ease of operation (user friendly), and they require less fuel than V-drives (shaft propulsion with rudder and propeller).
Call Nortech, Mystic, Outerlimits, Statement Marine, and Skater they would be a good place to get ideas for your 120+ mph 50' catamaran. Each manufacturer produces a catamaran in that size range and easily capable of that speed. With respect to luxury and green design, ask each builder of your design intentions and you will get feedback.
I do not think an electrical engine qwould be practical for your design, but maybe someone on this site can help with that question. To go 120-150 mph in a 50' catarmaran, and add luxury, meaning weight to it, that will take a significant amount of horsepower (at least 1100+/- hp to go 120 mph, probably more horsepower per motor, two motors required reciprocating engines/pistoon power). Or go turbine engines whcih are done, and are efficient (costly $$$).
With respect to technology, the IPS or Pod drives will not get you above 50 mph, but with the Sky-Hook technology (it allows for a boat/vessel to hold its position with wind and current trying to push a boat, this is a significant plus for yacht owners) it is a great advancement in ease of operation (user friendly), and they require less fuel than V-drives (shaft propulsion with rudder and propeller).
Call Nortech, Mystic, Outerlimits, Statement Marine, and Skater they would be a good place to get ideas for your 120+ mph 50' catamaran. Each manufacturer produces a catamaran in that size range and easily capable of that speed. With respect to luxury and green design, ask each builder of your design intentions and you will get feedback.
Thanks!
01-17-2011, 09:40 PM
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There are some cruisers out that use a Diesel to power electric motors.
That isn't a performance application.
Steri (my spelling might be off) out of australia makes a compact Diesel electric motor and drive.
There is a company playing with them in a cat with solor and wind generators. Again not a performance application but a hybrid.
Do a google search on DSe island pilot.
That isn't a performance application.
Steri (my spelling might be off) out of australia makes a compact Diesel electric motor and drive.
There is a company playing with them in a cat with solor and wind generators. Again not a performance application but a hybrid.
Do a google search on DSe island pilot.
