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rjr 03-02-2011 10:51 PM

Night Vision
 
I did a search for night vision and you wouldn't believe the crap that came up

If I am out at night I am typically at hull speed. I just want to know if Gen I is adequate for boating at night. Not at 70 MPH but at maybe 30.

Anyone have experience with any brands?

Griff 03-02-2011 11:33 PM

Planing speed??? Why use night vision??? Read the Nav lights of other boats.

OL40SVX 03-02-2011 11:51 PM

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Check out the Flir!! It works awesome!

GLH 03-03-2011 04:06 AM

Running at night at speed is a very bad idea.

Catastrophe 03-03-2011 04:49 AM


Originally Posted by GLH (Post 3340819)
Running at night at speed is a very bad idea.

EXACTLY !!!!

" But officer...I had Night Vision "

Double Rigged 03-03-2011 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by rjr (Post 3340758)
I did a search for night vision and you wouldn't believe the crap that came up

If I am out at night I am typically at hull speed. I just want to know if Gen I is adequate for boating at night. Not at 70 MPH but at maybe 30.

Anyone have experience with any brands?

RJR,
Have a FLIR Nightvision on my 28 Skater. It is a Thermal Camera not the IR stuff that is out there. Been in the Marine Electronics business for over 25yrs and have tons of experience with it. It is a great tool to have at night. Most people have never had the chance to use one only have opinions on what or how they think it will work. I agree that running any boat at speeds over 30-35mph at night can be a bad idea but I can tell you I have done extensive testing with the FLIR and you can safely operate you boat at those speeds in total darkness. Check out their website at www.FLIR.com and go to the Maritime section. Here is a video link to my set up. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYnJHQHGH70 I will post some real night time video next week.
PM If you have any questions.

glassdave 03-03-2011 11:10 AM


Originally Posted by Double Rigged (Post 3340935)
RJR,
Have a FLIR Nightvision on my 28 Skater. It is a Thermal Camera not the IR stuff that is out there. Been in the Marine Electronics business for over 25yrs and have tons of experience with it. It is a great tool to have at night. Most people have never had the chance to use one only have opinions on what or how they think it will work. I agree that running any boat at speeds over 30-35mph at night can be a bad idea but I can tell you I have done extensive testing with the FLIR and you can safely operate you boat at those speeds in total darkness. Check out their website at www.FLIR.com and go to the Maritime section. Here is a video link to my set up. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYnJHQHGH70 I will post some real night time video next week.
PM If you have any questions.

I'm all for old fashioned proper night navigation but that would be a great tool to have at your disposal. Very cool piece. Would be nice to have a hand held unit or one of these (link below). would you happen to know if the FireFLIR offer the same imaging as the unit you have or is it specific to its intended use?




http://cgi.ebay.com/FireFLIR-THERMAL...item588ceb4328

Double Rigged 03-03-2011 03:36 PM


Originally Posted by glassdave (Post 3341126)
I'm all for old fashioned proper night navigation but that would be a great tool to have at your disposal. Very cool piece. Would be nice to have a hand held unit or one of these (link below). would you happen to know if the FireFLIR offer the same imaging as the unit you have or is it specific to its intended use?




http://cgi.ebay.com/FireFLIR-THERMAL...item588ceb4328

Glass Dave,
Not sure what core they are using in that piece but it is the same technology. I would guess the range on that would less than what I have. Also the core I have is set with parameters that are best for the Marine Enviroment temp wise. I would guess it has a very wide range of view which cuts down the distance you can see.

damdonzi 03-03-2011 03:41 PM

What is the advantage of "Ultra Low-Lux" vs FLIR?

FuelinAround 03-03-2011 03:51 PM

I run at night a lot during the summer. Especially when we goto loto etc. I have looked into these kits several time but at nit I have never had a problem seeing another boat. I usually run around 20-30mph.

rjr 03-03-2011 03:56 PM

Griff I said HULL speed not planning speed. Watching Nav lights is fine but there is a lot of junk out there that doesn't have nav lights.

Hull speed sucks and I was thinking that NV might offer a safe way to speed up a little. Unfortunately, 30 is pretty much the minimum which is a little fast to be operating at night.

I had radar on my last boat and am trying to figure out a way to put it on my 382 without looking funny. But even with radar high speed isn't safe.

Is Gen I useful?

delsol 03-03-2011 04:53 PM

I had seen the Flir home imaging at work in my cottage a couple of years ago, didn't realize what else they got into with these -- very cool.
Gotta like the one that has both thermal imaging and a video camera, as more people are mounting on board cameras why not include this??

What are the prices on these units? I see the individual pieces can be bought -- might work better on a performance boat if you can blend it in within the existing pieces rather than have a miniture R2D2 on the bow...

cigboat1 03-03-2011 05:28 PM

RJR is right about a lot of junk out there!!! Mostly sail boaters that go out there and turn their nav lights out to impress some dumb broad and show her the stars... if you hit one of them they will say everything was working properly and it will be a very bad day for you ! The only way to run out there is to run safely and slow>All though a few times a year I like to get about five to eight miles offshore and run in the moonlight reflecting on the water--- very cool.


Jim

Double Rigged 03-03-2011 09:01 PM


Originally Posted by damdonzi (Post 3341347)
What is the advantage of "Ultra Low-Lux" vs FLIR?

Ultra low lux is a camera that uses amplified light to see. That means you need some sort of light. Full moon, inland waterways with lighting around etc. If you are out in total darkness offshore or in a middle of a lake on dark light you cannot see. Worthless. Also if the light changes around the camera it has to adjust. This can be annoying. Thermal cameras (Flir) are unaffected by light. Only temp. You can see the same in sunlight as total darkness. The camera can detect temp changes up to 1/40th of a degree. Seeing coconuts, boards, lobster traps etc. Even at idle these items can damage an expensive set of props.

damdonzi 03-03-2011 09:20 PM

Now I get it. Thanks.


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