You mean like restoring them?? Cool idea.. :D

You may want to check out what I do... :D :D

Sorry for being a smart azz.. lol ;)

Jamie / Lakeside Restorations

u are a smart azz Jamie :drink:,you aint sorry either :eek: with that Hot wife of yours you are forgiven :lolhit::hitit::ernaehrung004:

"Sellers need to list the price". I totally agree! I have to admit, if your to lazy to list the price, I'm too lazy to call.

Yeah but that brings up another problem as in the restoration exceeds the value of the boat! If the values are dropping then even restored stuff is worth nothing. So compared to a new boat the restored boat will look like a steal but you could still get buried in it.

Ideally buy someone else's restored boat! :D

scott brings up some good points and I have said this for the past few years and have had some arguements with sellers when I was in the market last year. For intance I wanted a 27 to 29 fountain and well late 90's early 2000's guys wanted 60-80 grand for em. I got a 91 with motors with fresh 50hrs on them redone upolestry for a third of the cost. Others have said it though people are upside down on these boats and trying to get what they owe on it. With that said Scott probably needs to take some of his advice I check his website regularly and some of that stuff has been on there for years.


The economy is getting better and I wish people and business' would get past this whole fear factor thing. But with that said the economy isnt great and gas prices are horrible again. And if you are going to sell your boat I would prepare to take a hit its a buyers market so if your the guy asking way to much forget it.

Supply ----- Demand

That's all it is in a free (relatively) market such as ours.

Prices "too high" or "too low" is all BS.

The market or approprite price for ANY item of any type at any given time does not care AT ALL about production cost, carrying or holding cost, or too much about your emotions. It is, simply,

"What a willing buyer pays a willing seller".

So if a business cannot turn a profit, they go out of business or change their methods, as the case may be. Since boat production is complex and expensive, many companies have gone out of business, downsized or merged. And when demand increases again some day, as it most certainly will, a lot of new companies, and maybe some familiar older names, will appear/reappear like magic.

Suppy and demand is a good argument but also note that demand is also "financed demand" so if there is no financing then that side of the equation is significantly reduced. I read another one of Shogren's blogs and he mentioned 97% of the deals he is doing are cash sales.

So the buyer sitting on a pile of cash is clearly in the driver's seat! It is not only the performance boat market, my brother in law is in the yacht business and the only deals getting done are cash deals. On a 4MM boat banks want 50% down with flawless credit AND solid annual income. If you have 5MM in the bank, 2MM to put down but no job you won't get financed. If you have 500K to put down, 2MM in annual income you won't get financed (on a 4MM boat). It really takes the wind out of the "sales" after the hoopla surrounding a boat show dies down.

You know me.. lol :D

Kristin said thanks.. :)

Hope all is well with you & Pinky... :) J


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No question used boats are going cheap if they go at all, except if bought from the dealer himself. I think most boat owners are fully aware that their values have been cut dramatically the last two years. But as new boat prices surged forward, I don't see anyone offering new boats at wholesale prices, not this year at least.

Bottom line is this. If you currently have a boat and need to sell it, you'll not get what you wish for. But if you go looking for used boats at a dealer, They will tell you all about NADA values and how much more a new one costs. One of the few times where supply of new boats has shrunk, the supply of used boats is plentiful, and the only real loser is the person that already has a a boat and wanted to sell.

The only trouble with the current market, is how to come up with new boaters that can afford to lose money in a sinking ship. No pun intended.

This is true. How many of us would love to buy a new boat but really just cannot. What helped build America, gentlemen, was INSTALLMENT BUYING. As long as loans will be difficult to get, boats will be difficult to buy. The last three boats I bought I financed myself against my own stock holdings. But how many others out there can do that? Loans were how the average guy was able to get a decent house, car, boat etc. for decades. But now its not just the "economy" but life in general that has changed radically. How many people today keep the SAME job for 5 years? My father worked for the same company for 30 years. Most of the older oil men and many other "company men" did the same. As on another thread regarding the health of print media, life is changing fast and it is not just economy related. We have an enormous number of undocumented people streaming into this country from many different countries and I don't see the banking industry loaning much money anytime soon to people who cannot be assured of the same or similiar job or address in 5 years or who don't have much personal collateral.