When is fast too fast?
#91
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I've been reading posts on here over the past few months about guys building new boats with monster power. My fear is we are starting to get to the point where things are going to start ending badly in the not to distant future.
Boat manufacturers are building lighter and lighter boats out of high tech composites, and using aero techniques to increase boat speeds (such as widening tunnels, etc), but at the same time modern engine management systems are making monster engines almost practical to live with on a daily basis. With turbos starting to replace superchargers (it took long enough!), the amount of power that is starting to be made, and being made available in high performance pleasure boats, is almost disturbing. So while the boats are getting faster on their own, the power being offered in the not to distant future will at some point become a real concern... if we haven't already started to cross the line.
While I know some folks are thinking, "180 mph+ is nothing, I want to go faster... you're being a wussy, blah blah, blah..." The reality is I'm a speed junky, but think about how fast 180+ mph on the water is. That's really, really moving considering the surface you're running on is dynamic in nature and that many of these boats being built are open top pleasure boats!
The some open top boats being built this year are going to be offered with 1500+ hp engines... and I'm sure 2,000+ hp engines are out there waiting to be tested for customers to buy. Any customer with enough money can buy them.
Think about that. Any Rodney Dangerfield with a big wallet and no boating experience can walk into Skater, MTI, etc and buy a boat that will run 200+ mph these days. All it takes is money. Add in some ego, maybe a couple of drinks for good measure, and we have the possibility of reading some tragic headlines. Sadly, chances are this guy will likely be taking others out with him... And I dont see this being an isolated tragedy either, it's only going to become more frequent as the boats get faster and the engines more powerful.
Are we at the point where we need to start being concerned or even policing ourselves? Personally I think we're really close, if not already there. I fear we'll be reading some disturbing headlines in the not to distant future.
Boat manufacturers are building lighter and lighter boats out of high tech composites, and using aero techniques to increase boat speeds (such as widening tunnels, etc), but at the same time modern engine management systems are making monster engines almost practical to live with on a daily basis. With turbos starting to replace superchargers (it took long enough!), the amount of power that is starting to be made, and being made available in high performance pleasure boats, is almost disturbing. So while the boats are getting faster on their own, the power being offered in the not to distant future will at some point become a real concern... if we haven't already started to cross the line.
While I know some folks are thinking, "180 mph+ is nothing, I want to go faster... you're being a wussy, blah blah, blah..." The reality is I'm a speed junky, but think about how fast 180+ mph on the water is. That's really, really moving considering the surface you're running on is dynamic in nature and that many of these boats being built are open top pleasure boats!
The some open top boats being built this year are going to be offered with 1500+ hp engines... and I'm sure 2,000+ hp engines are out there waiting to be tested for customers to buy. Any customer with enough money can buy them.
Think about that. Any Rodney Dangerfield with a big wallet and no boating experience can walk into Skater, MTI, etc and buy a boat that will run 200+ mph these days. All it takes is money. Add in some ego, maybe a couple of drinks for good measure, and we have the possibility of reading some tragic headlines. Sadly, chances are this guy will likely be taking others out with him... And I dont see this being an isolated tragedy either, it's only going to become more frequent as the boats get faster and the engines more powerful.
Are we at the point where we need to start being concerned or even policing ourselves? Personally I think we're really close, if not already there. I fear we'll be reading some disturbing headlines in the not to distant future.
There will be time when the states step in, and boating as we know it today will have speed restrictions, mandatory classes, and further restrictions. Politicians like to pass laws that say the law is intended to save lives. It is happening now.
Last edited by Smarty; 04-02-2011 at 09:04 PM.
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I commented about this a year or two ago when Mr. Big Check-Writer, comes a boat builder writes a check for 135mph V-Bottom, then rolls it injuring and or killing an innocent passenger. I do not blame the operator, on all these occassions when an accident occurs that is too simple of an explanation as doesn't hold water with me, and I don't buy the bullsh*t that the boat is built safe, because ejecting passengers isn't safe, so sell that line of sh*t elsewhere. If I am the plaintiffs attorney in one of these cases, I would win, but I practice criminal law, not products liability law.
And since when does a boat that can eject a passenger equal an unsafe boat? You can be ejected from any boat, be it a sailboat, pontoon boat, CC, sportfisherman, or high performance. Are all these boats built unsafe? Should every boat made have a full canopy and rescue air?
What ever happened to personal responsibility? The freedom to buy what you want knowing full well the risks involved and owning up to it when something happens is what used to make this country a great place. Now you can buy what you want and when you screw up you can blame it on someone else who wasnt involved at all.
Maybe I wasnt seeing the sarcasm in your post and you didnt mean what you wrote, if so, I apologize.
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Ever heard of rev limiters in cars? They have them.
As for "guide aids" I would assume he's talking about all wheel drive, electronic stability control, traction control, ready alert braking, rain brake support and things of that nature which even the Chrysler 300 offers now, not to mention Audi, Mercedes Benz, Rolls Royce etc etc...
As for "guide aids" I would assume he's talking about all wheel drive, electronic stability control, traction control, ready alert braking, rain brake support and things of that nature which even the Chrysler 300 offers now, not to mention Audi, Mercedes Benz, Rolls Royce etc etc...
What has it to do with boating...well all of us enjoy fast powerboats too and know when the Baltic kicks back and itīs time to slow down or stay home. The Team Boss has even a Captains license.
Last edited by MikeyFIN; 04-03-2011 at 10:29 AM.
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* Nothing cause the arenīt prepared for racing 100%... NONE.
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What ever happened to personal responsibility? The freedom to buy what you want knowing full well the risks involved and owning up to it when something happens is what used to make this country a great place. Now you can buy what you want and when you screw up you can blame it on someone else who wasnt involved at all.
Maybe I wasnt seeing the sarcasm in your post and you didnt mean what you wrote, if so, I apologize.
Thereīs a sucker and nowadays an Idiot born every minute...
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Donīt Consider racing either then cause thereīs lots of rules there too...
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In general, I have found performance boaters to be better-informed and better mariners than most of the "skippers" on the water. The issue is that a huge screw-up at the tiller of a sailbote at 6 knots or a cruiser at 20 knots is simply not going to generate the spectacular (and possibly tragic) results that a screw-up at high speed will. By electing to purchase the boats that we do, we are implicitly accepting a higher level of responsibility for our actions.
"Let's be careful out there."
"Let's be careful out there."
Plus have to disagree with boating skills in general with sailboaters vs powerboaters.. maybe itīs just me as Iīve raced both in offshore.
Last edited by MikeyFIN; 04-03-2011 at 08:50 AM.
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Another scary part of boats going fast is not only the inexperienced or drunk driver but someone pushing a particular hull way faster than it is intended to go. Put enough horespower behind any hull and it can reach unsafe speeds. All boats have a "sweet spot" and perform and maneuver with some predictability within that range. I'm more worried about the guy with the monster motor in a hull that wasn't meant to handle it.
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that last post sums it up.also keep in mind most newer designed boat just cruise so dam fast u get use to that speed. some guys dont have the seat time,and they should understand any speed the are going,and as we know anything can happen.