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Over the years ,we have all heard these claims,there is only so much energy in a gallon of gasoline and I would expect ,the old Piston Aircraft engineers or our Formula one guys would have come up with this long ago.
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Thought this video would fit in well with the discussion.
It may not be the most convenient means of powering a vehicle, but it is a well implemented design that looks to be of very high quality. Fuel availability would be no problem at all. I wonder how many of these are still left over from WWII. [YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSgL0Ie4zrI[/YOUTUBE] |
got to love all the green people getting so excited about a coal powered car!!
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Originally Posted by JP-8
(Post 3378675)
I do indeed, and find your assumption of the contrary to be a tad insulting, but I do understand the bent of your argument. See below.
Cherry's method remains distinctly different (and superior) from those methods currently adhered to by the world's refineries which are: Fluid catalytic cracking, Hydrocracking, and Steam cracking. None of those methods use the high-tension, high frequency, electrical current method that Cherry devised. The article was merely intended to point out that the refining process could be streamlined, thus reducing the cost of operation. Its inclusion was meant to be purely anecdotal, and not the main focus. I've no aversion to a bit of healthy nitpicking, but seriously, folks. Seriously, there is a huge difference between what will work in a lab / small scale pilot plant and what will work in a plant that must produce 100's of thousands of barrels a day. Scale up is not nit-piking - it is real. Do you have any idea how you could generate 'high tension, high frequency" current on a mega-watt scale? The largest reliable semi-conductor devices available are in the 1-3 kilowatt scale. My company spent twelve years and well over 1MM USD trying to develop microwave technologies for production. The result was that it worked in the pilot plant size with great efficiency but but was not as efficient as the current methods when scaled up. It's worth noting that we bought the patent AND hired the inventor, so we were not hampered by our poor understanding of alternatives, crippled by our preconceived notions, or whatever excuse people often give when lab ideas fail. The inventor was disappointed as well, since he he a % of every pound we sold using his invention. However, he was in the scale up, and he recognized that it did not fulfill it's promise. Sometimes, it just won't scale up, or when scaled up, becomes less efficient or productive. You don't have to build a huge plant or 100s of engines to find that out. |
Oh, I once saw a pig fly - Honest!
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Originally Posted by apollard
(Post 3380716)
Perhaps because it cannot be used on a large scale.
Seriously, there is a huge difference between what will work in a lab / small scale pilot plant and what will work in a plant that must produce 100's of thousands of barrels a day. Scale up is not nit-piking - it is real. Do you have any idea how you could generate 'high tension, high frequency" current on a mega-watt scale? The largest reliable semi-conductor devices available are in the 1-3 kilowatt scale. My company spent twelve years and well over 1MM USD trying to develop microwave technologies for production. The result was that it worked in the pilot plant size with great efficiency but but was not as efficient as the current methods when scaled up. It's worth noting that we bought the patent AND hired the inventor, so we were not hampered by our poor understanding of alternatives, crippled by our preconceived notions, or whatever excuse people often give when lab ideas fail. The inventor was disappointed as well, since he he a % of every pound we sold using his invention. However, he was in the scale up, and he recognized that it did not fulfill it's promise. Sometimes, it just won't scale up, or when scaled up, becomes less efficient or productive. You don't have to build a huge plant or 100s of engines to find that out. If anything, my aim was to illustrate that there is no need to charge so much for a gallon of fuel. The oil consortiums of the world could easily make a nice profit the honest way, but as is often the case, greed begets the desire for control. |
I had occasion recently to peruse a Feb, 1937 issue of Popular Science magazine. Towards the back, I happened upon these two advertisements which caught my interest. Most fascinating.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y22...pressedGAS.jpg http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y22...ressedgas2.jpg As I go back and read through the responses to this thread, there is, more or less, a fairly even divide between those who understand and acknowledge the existence of this sort technology, and those who find themselves uncomfortable with the notion due to a definite disinclination (or outright inability) to contemplate the reasoning behind its lack of mainstream implementation. Even when presented with documented proof. Folks, it isn't just a fantasy. It has been done before, and it is desperately needed now. |
Look - somebody needs to inject some logic into this thread! :eek:
The intrigue of conspiracy is always entertaining. But in todays world, with China pirating new movies from illegal pre-release copies hot-shotted over there, I am certain either China or some other interest not encumbered by our laws, fines or loyalties would find a way to produce a technology so far superior to existing methods. It would just simply be so immeasurably profitable it could not be kept secret. Next we'll be hearing about the Fountain of Youth the oil companies bought the rights to and are keeping hidden... |
Also funny how Ford recovered all the electric Ranger Pickups from the 90's ...... I believe they were all destroyed??? Maybe someone can chime in here. I think they were on a lease basis and returned to Ford. Makes you wonder, I would love to have one now for my business.
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Originally Posted by 454captiva
(Post 3414418)
Also funny how Ford recovered all the electric Ranger Pickups from the 90's ...... I believe they were all destroyed??? Maybe someone can chime in here. I think they were on a lease basis and returned to Ford. Makes you wonder, I would love to have one now for my business.
I know of one for sale, new larger batteries, chargers both 220v and 110v. Guy drives it to work everyday, gets a bit over 100miles on a charge. |
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