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BadCompany 05-09-2011 10:17 PM

Sea Pump will not pull in water Help!!!!
 
Gotta pic some brains here I am lost!! 06 Conquest 525 EFI Closed cooling system. Pulled this boat in couple weeks ago with smoked rubber parts on exhaust. It has headers. Rebuilt sea water pump,replaced 4" on headers and the 180 1" pipes on top of headers.I can stick water hose directly into sea water pump and get water out exhaust but the right side runs warmer than the left. Took to lake this eve and submerged outdrive and water never came out of exhaust.Kept hand on pump and header started to warm up too much Shut engine down.I have flushed the system and feel I have located nearly all parts of the old impeller.Water inlet on top?? This thing has whipped me Thanks Gus

dodgezilla04 05-09-2011 11:00 PM

I had to unclog a friends drive. He neglected
To flush it and there was an amazing amount of salt plugging the drive.
Can you use the hose and blow water
From the pump out through the pickups in the drive?

Uncle Dave 05-09-2011 11:14 PM

You really should try to track down all the pieces.

DO you have a factory water pump?

If so, did you do an impeller and wear plate- or did you go all the way and replace your pastic housing?

I'd replace the plastic stuff with a steel/brass pump (like a hardin)

Uncle Dave

c_deezy 05-09-2011 11:42 PM

Verify the hoses are hooked to the correct ports based. Sometimes they need a prime, unhook the intake enough to allow lake water into the hose and try to direct it into the pump. Then reconnect and try again.

BadCompany 05-10-2011 06:58 AM

Water does flow out the foot when I put water back thru it with a hose very freely. Did replace all parts,but will upgrade to hardin housing.Will try priming,but is there a sfee way to insure a this will not happen again when I turn it back over to the owner?? I really appreciate the input. Counter clockwise is lefthand rotation??? Thanks again Gus

Audiofn 05-10-2011 08:02 AM

Take off your outlet hose and start it up for a second (out of the water of course). If you do not get water out of it there then you have now taken a HUGE amount of the possibilities out. Then start to work your way in one direction or the other.

PARADOX 05-10-2011 08:39 AM

Sounds familiar. :)
Take off the end caps from the closed system heat exchangers. Front and rear. Clean out the ports. I use a small wire to clean out the rear ports and push the wire gently all the way through every hole. Then check your outdrive intake elbow, right by the inner transom plate. Hard to get to, but there is a Merc bulletin somewehere, that elbow is prown to corrosion and will restrict water flow.

johnnyboatman 05-10-2011 09:02 AM

i did the same thing one time and got the intake and discharge hose crossed.

SlowPlay 05-10-2011 10:33 AM

did you check the elbows on the drives.

mine were so restricted that it would pump water at an idle but would starve the motor for water and burn out the exhaust.

BadCompany 05-10-2011 10:54 AM

Will check all of the above. This appears to be a all new motor and outdrive. I have little info on boat. Came from Lake Havaseu?? Stolen motor and outdrive stolen sat since 08 and presumably re rigged recently and sold. Is there a bockflow device that would hold prime on the pump? I taped off front inlet on foot and still can not get water to come up to pump. Should I be getting water like this?? Water will flow down the inlet pipe with a water hose with no restriction. Keep them coming as I will try every idea you have. I know the owner is ready to hit the water as his maiden voyage was 1/2 mile!!Thanks again Gus

88Fount33 05-10-2011 11:19 AM

Even with NEW outdrive, the fitting that corrodes is located on the inner transom plate, so unless this was replaced, I would look there. There is also the possibility that the hose connected to this fitting is collapsing also, I have heard that sometimes the outer rubber sleeve of the hose looks fine but the inner rubber sleeve gets sucked shut like a valve, most times when the fitting is corroded on the transom plate, causing low pressure in the hose.

Is there a flushing fitting in the suction line? if so, check it for proper function. I had a Perko fitting (with internal check valve) fail with the valve stuck closed and smoked two (2) impellers until I discovered the problem.

BadCompany 05-11-2011 06:56 PM

Will take a section of clear hose and attach to inlet with other end in bucket of water maybe narrow down the options.Cleaned heat exchangers had no issues. Thanks Gus

DMOORE 05-11-2011 07:57 PM

I've changed a bunch of these over the years, so I know how it's done. But... a few years ago, I changed both of them out on my Cat, and upon start up, one would not pull any water. So after pulling it apart again, it was clear it simply disintegrated upon start up. I never had one do it before, nor since. I simply chalked it up to a bad part.


Darrell.

BadCompany 05-12-2011 07:00 AM

DMOORE With that in mind took pump apart an checked it,all was well. The water muffs have resistance when on the outdrive,water is forced out around it,but will flow out easily when I put the hose thru the inlet pipe backwards. Is this normal?? Thanks again Gus

BadCompany 05-12-2011 08:24 PM

Okay The clear hose worked. Pump would suck a 5 gallon bucket dry in 30 seconds with city water running in it!! I can put the water hose in the inlet hose off the pump and water drains out the foot fine.Set the boat in the water and it refuses to pull water!! What is in the outdrive that can cause this? Made some progress but may not be on the lake this weekend either. Throw anything you have at me.I gotta win this battle!! Thanks Gus

BadCompany 05-13-2011 12:00 PM

Well Can not beleive I have stumped this crew!! Got a manual and it looks like there is a rubber hose. It must have a hole in it above the water line Checking it next. Gus

PARADOX 05-13-2011 12:08 PM


Originally Posted by BadCompany (Post 3402365)
Well Can not beleive I have stumped this crew!! Got a manual and it looks like there is a rubber hose. It must have a hole in it above the water line Checking it next. Gus

No stumping buddy. :)
That hose was already referenced. It's in "suction" mode and at times might even be colapsed. Good luck.

BadCompany 05-13-2011 01:45 PM

U right That is what it has to be Thanks Gus

Panther 05-13-2011 01:54 PM

Are you sure you have the hoses on the pump correctly? Upper hose is intake.

PARADOX 05-13-2011 01:54 PM

One more think you might want to try regarding that hose.
Keep your boat on the trailer and submerge the whole drive.
Make sure the back is low enough that nothing from the drive is visible. If it's sucks water then you can be pretty sure its the hose, or the connection at the top of the hose.
If all fales, remove the drive. put a hose into the openning at the water pick up and use a bucket. If still no water, probobly a connection issue or hole, cracked hose around the transom, or may be as simple as a lose clamp at the elbow, right by the inner plate.

BadCompany 05-13-2011 06:17 PM

I tried the submerge thing with the boat tied down to trailer early on. I think the hose insides may be sucking shut. Why a 3/4 hose on the outside and 1 1/4 hose to sea pump?? With everybodys help we will get to the bottom of this. I will keep you posted. Would this be a good time for a external sea water pickup or would it benefit this setup? Thanks Gus


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