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Whipple Charged 09-07-2011 06:58 PM

Whipple FOAC Cooler, game changer
 
Whipple Superchargers is proud to introduce the biggest, baddest air-to-water intercooler available today. Dubbed the FOAC (Father Of All Coolers) is available with aluminum and curponickel cores and stainless fittings. The IC core is over 5" thick and over 10" wide. The water system can take up to dual -24AN lines in and out.

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h9...tercooler3.jpg

Coolerman 09-07-2011 07:33 PM

Looks nice! Where'd you get the idea for a split case? Whoever came up with that idea was really thinking outside of the "box".... :party-smiley-004:

endeavor1 09-07-2011 08:19 PM

LMFAO.... way to "re-invent"

SS930 09-07-2011 08:45 PM

Looks impressive Dustin.

dykstra 09-07-2011 09:10 PM

Way cool!!

dykstra 09-07-2011 09:11 PM

Literally:eek:

kap328 09-07-2011 10:44 PM

Comment:

Can you be more specific on this FOAC vs. MOAC.

1. Temperature reductions.

2. Power Differences

3. Intended applications

I assume this is for a new and larger Whipple compressor....or plural. Quad Rotor 4.0 or the newest version...etc.

Is this a rebuildable unit purpose of the assembled core?

Is Whipple now making your own intercoolers? or still third party supplier? colors?

Uhhh! that should be enough to talk about.

Whipple Charged 09-08-2011 04:53 AM


Originally Posted by endeavor1 (Post 3498151)
LMFAO.... way to "re-invent"

Re-invent? hmm, lets see, we were the first to bring the MOAC and the Double, so the FOAC is in fact new, bigger, and better for the one's who are going for all out power.

endeavor1 09-08-2011 11:40 AM


Originally Posted by Whipple Charged (Post 3498410)
Re-invent? hmm, lets see, we were the first to bring the MOAC and the Double, so the FOAC is in fact new, bigger, and better for the one's who are going for all out power.

Dustin,

It just looks eerily similar to the one that PF marine designed.

As mentioned before, what will the major differences be over the MOAC and dual core. Can you answer KAP's questions as to let us all know.

Thanks and continued success.

Coolerman 09-08-2011 11:58 AM


Originally Posted by Whipple Charged (Post 3498410)
Re-invent? hmm, lets see, we were the first to bring the MOAC and the Double, so the FOAC is in fact new, bigger, and better for the one's who are going for all out power.

Endeavor was refering to the split case (not the core design or size). I'm flattered that you liked our idea! :kiss:

Regardless, I'm glad to see you continuing to push the bar of performance. Like you have said in the past, the competition only provides better products for the customers.

Coolerman 09-08-2011 12:10 PM


Originally Posted by kap328 (Post 3498345)
Comment:

Can you be more specific on this FOAC vs. MOAC.

1. Temperature reductions.

2. Power Differences

3. Intended applications

I assume this is for a new and larger Whipple compressor....or plural. Quad Rotor 4.0 or the newest version...etc.

Is this a rebuildable unit purpose of the assembled core?

Is Whipple now making your own intercoolers? or still third party supplier? colors?

Uhhh! that should be enough to talk about.

I would be interested in what the pressure drop of the tall core is for turbocharged or centrifugal blowers (non positive displacement boost)?

Comanche3Six 09-08-2011 12:10 PM

Good grief! A split case...I'm sure that magic trick has been performed on more than just a cooler. Dustin Whipple is a powerboater himself & is constantly putting out great products for Offshore Powerboater consumption. Let's enjoy them....shall we?
Oh look....a round wheel....with only 47 nail holes in it! Bet that hasn't been done before!!!! LOL!

Coolerman 09-08-2011 12:14 PM


Originally Posted by Comanche3Six (Post 3498800)
Good grief! A split case...I'm sure that magic trick has been performed on more than just a cooler. Dustin Whipple is a powerboater himself & is constantly putting out great products for Offshore Powerboater consumption. Let's enjoy them....shall we?
Oh look....a round wheel....with only 47 nail holes in it! Bet that hasn't been done before!!!! LOL!

I never disputed the fact that whipple makes a great product. Dustin is obviously a brilliant person with his abilities to crack ecu codes and to make complete kits for the marine and automotive world.

I just think it's funny how several weeks after we released our model, he followed suit with the same concept (his thread was deleted back in Dec). It's a great way to manfacture the unit as it reduces the cost. I don't blame him for following suit.

Comanche3Six 09-08-2011 12:17 PM


Originally Posted by Coolerman (Post 3498804)
I never disputed the fact that whipple makes a great product. Dustin is obviously a brilliant person with his abilities to crack ecu codes and to make complete kits for the marine and automotive world.

I just think it's funny how several weeks after we released our model, he followed suit with the same concept (his thread was deleted back in Dec). It's a great way to manfacture the unit as it reduces the cost. I don't blame him for following suit.

Ok

kap328 09-08-2011 12:27 PM


Originally Posted by Coolerman (Post 3498799)
I would be interested in what the pressure drop of the tall core is for turbocharged or centrifugal blowers (non positive displacement boost)?

Now that is a great technical question! I would think the pressure would drop dramatically as it has a larger surface area to push a huge volume of mass through. Then again we don't know what the boost/pressure capacity is either.

A lot of engineering thats for sure!

I like the question very poignant... good stuff to know.

KAP

WildThing47 09-08-2011 01:28 PM

Very nice

Coolerman 09-08-2011 02:01 PM


Originally Posted by Whipple Charged (Post 3498410)
Re-invent? hmm, lets see, we were the first to bring the MOAC and the Double, so the FOAC is in fact new, bigger, and better for the one's who are going for all out power.

Just fyi, Lucky from New Century built the first double core for Dave Scott.

fountainfan42 09-08-2011 03:01 PM


Originally Posted by Coolerman (Post 3498896)
Just fyi, Lucky from New Century built the first double core for Dave Scott.

thats just what i was thinkin also Jason :coolcowboy:

Whipple Charged 09-08-2011 03:27 PM


Originally Posted by endeavor1 (Post 3498771)
Dustin,

It just looks eerily similar to the one that PF marine designed.

As mentioned before, what will the major differences be over the MOAC and dual core. Can you answer KAP's questions as to let us all know.

Thanks and continued success.

Which looks eerily similar to our Double cooler that came out about 6 years ago, that all the major high performance engine builders use.....

A casted housing is in the works, billet is temporary, as was on our double version.

Its funny some act as if we didn't bring the unique version of the CuNi intercoolers to the high performance marine market. Who do you think took that to Mercury Racing and got them using them as replacements for 900SC's and OEM equipment for the 600/662/700/850/1075/1200?

Whipple Charged 09-08-2011 03:34 PM


Originally Posted by Coolerman (Post 3498804)
I never disputed the fact that whipple makes a great product. Dustin is obviously a brilliant person with his abilities to crack ecu codes and to make complete kits for the marine and automotive world.

I just think it's funny how several weeks after we released our model, he followed suit with the same concept (his thread was deleted back in Dec). It's a great way to manfacture the unit as it reduces the cost. I don't blame him for following suit.

We had been working on this for sometime, as one of our good customers requested it..... Customer had some financial issues so it was on hold for sometime. Were not following, were leading as we have in the past. This is another robust bar/plate design with offset fin that will dramatically pickup the HP on 1400+ HP engines.

Whipple Charged 09-08-2011 04:03 PM


Originally Posted by kap328 (Post 3498827)
Now that is a great technical question! I would think the pressure would drop dramatically as it has a larger surface area to push a huge volume of mass through. Then again we don't know what the boost/pressure capacity is either.

A lot of engineering thats for sure!

I like the question very poignant... good stuff to know.

KAP

Pressure drop is an almost impossible question to answer. Each application, each SC (turbo, screw, roots, centrifugal) will differ. With the massive amount of surface area, there is really very little pressure drop.

Coolerman 09-08-2011 04:39 PM


Originally Posted by kap328 (Post 3498827)
Now that is a great technical question! I would think the pressure would drop dramatically as it has a larger surface area to push a huge volume of mass through. Then again we don't know what the boost/pressure capacity is either.

A lot of engineering thats for sure!

I like the question very poignant... good stuff to know.

KAP

If one were to compare 2 cores of equal cooling capacity, a core that is wider and longer with a lower profile will have a lower pressure drop than the core with a smaller cross sectional area that is taller. There are obviously other things that come into play such as the number of fins per inch, fin thickness, fin profile, # of tubes, and size of tubes.

This issue is especially important on a non-positive displacment induction package where you are actually loosing cfm going into the motor whereas with a positive displacment SC, the blower essentially pumps the same amount of air per revolution (in theory).

Biggus 09-08-2011 05:25 PM


Originally Posted by Coolerman (Post 3499029)
If one were to compare 2 cores of equal cooling capacity, a core that is wider and longer with a lower profile will have a lower pressure drop than the core with a smaller cross sectional area that is taller. There are obviously other things that come into play such as the number of fins per inch, fin thickness, fin profile, # of tubes, and size of tubes.

This issue is especially important on a non-positive displacment induction package where you are actually loosing cfm going into the motor whereas with a positive displacment SC, the blower essentially pumps the same amount of air per revolution (in theory).

That's exactly why Tom Robinson's R-Tech Supercooler, designed specifically for centrifugal superchargers, was so effective. Very low restriction, minimal loss of boost.

Kurt

Coolerman 09-08-2011 05:28 PM


Originally Posted by Biggus (Post 3499079)
That's exactly why Tom Robinson's R-Tech Supercooler, designed specifically for centrifugal superchargers, was so effective. Very low restriction, minimal loss of boost.

Kurt

Exactly, his unit came to my mind as well when thinking about the pressure drop in relation to the cooling capacity and restrictiveness of the core. Tom makes a nice unit.

EXCESS ENERGY 09-08-2011 06:57 PM


Originally Posted by Coolerman (Post 3498098)
Looks nice! Where'd you get the idea for a split case? Whoever came up with that idea was really thinking outside of the "box".... :party-smiley-004:

Looks like a copycat cooler to me.

Whipple Charged 09-08-2011 08:37 PM


Originally Posted by EXCESS ENERGY (Post 3499170)
Looks like a copycat cooler to me.

LOL, thats pretty funny! Is that copying by making bigger core, rugged bar/plate design, offering aluminum and cupronickel, oversized water fittings???

EXCESS ENERGY 09-09-2011 05:12 AM


Originally Posted by Whipple Charged (Post 3499291)
LOL, thats pretty funny! Is that copying by making bigger core, rugged bar/plate design, offering aluminum and cupronickel, oversized water fittings???

Split housing. And why would you offer aluminum cores, they don't last.:lolhit:

notda1 09-09-2011 06:20 AM

I have seen Jason's coolers and they look like a work of art , also congrats on his results at LOTO


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