Don Aronow Memorial Race...Sept 24th
09-15-2011, 09:01 AM
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no one will like what I have to say, it's just an opinion
get on with the racing, none of this spectulation matters anyway!
Last edited by HabanaJoe; 09-15-2011 at 09:31 AM. Reason: It just doesn't matter
09-15-2011, 09:06 AM
#62
Well good morning!!! It certainly has been active since I last checked this thread. It looks like the question has been answered and now maybe we can get back to THE RACE...
I need some logistics help on the south shore of Long Island.....I have a potential entrant that does not have enough fuel capacity for the 271 miles and needs a refueling stop, but he needs race fuel.
Does anyone have any ideas where he could stop and get this type of fuel....Does Shinnecock have any pumps with race fuel?
All help appreciated.
I need some logistics help on the south shore of Long Island.....I have a potential entrant that does not have enough fuel capacity for the 271 miles and needs a refueling stop, but he needs race fuel.
Does anyone have any ideas where he could stop and get this type of fuel....Does Shinnecock have any pumps with race fuel?
All help appreciated.
09-15-2011, 09:13 AM
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I think the reason 2fast9tech2 is asking the question is historically the NPBA / Billy Frenz events typically are very expensive and can come up short on value as he does these events "for profit".
This is where I think a lot of the conflict is... Boaters love the idea of his events, but Billy's main objective is making money, so I think sometimes the boaters feel shortchanged when their suggestions and expectations fall on deaf or unresponsive ears. And once someone has a bad taste in your mouth, it's sometimes tough to continue supporting the cause.
For this reason, I'm glad to see Charlie is working as the front man on co-promoting this event.
Last year's race was flop with only a few boats entering. Why didn't more boats enter? Was it the organization, the cost, the timing, etc... Maybe all of the above. Regardless, last year's race was a disappointment. Of the few teams that entered, only one team had the heart, desire, etc to bother running the entire course when conditions weren't ideal for a record setting pace (although there were claims of potential mechanical issues from a team or two). All would hope this doesn't repeat again this year.
Despite how anyone feels about about Frenz, the NPBA, or the motives for doing these events, I believe most would agree that it would be nice to see this race do well. I'm sure there are plenty of people that would love to see someone other than Frenz promoting and capitalizing on this race, and I know for a fact there are folks not running it simply because they don't want to support him, but at the end of the day at least someone is providing an avenue for this race to happen... which is probably good for everyone and good for the sport. Let's hope there's more than one boat going around the island this year and that there are no real issues or injuries. Best of luck to all!
BTW, regarding the race fuel question, I think there might be one location and hopefully someone knows the name/location of that place... but if not they would have to provide their own remote support crew on the south side of the island. They should keep in mind it could be a little rough out there so they would likely want to refuel in a protected area. If they do this refueling privately, I would hope they do it safely by keeping the transfer grounded and bonded.
EDIT: Steve remembered it!
This is where I think a lot of the conflict is... Boaters love the idea of his events, but Billy's main objective is making money, so I think sometimes the boaters feel shortchanged when their suggestions and expectations fall on deaf or unresponsive ears. And once someone has a bad taste in your mouth, it's sometimes tough to continue supporting the cause.
For this reason, I'm glad to see Charlie is working as the front man on co-promoting this event.
Last year's race was flop with only a few boats entering. Why didn't more boats enter? Was it the organization, the cost, the timing, etc... Maybe all of the above. Regardless, last year's race was a disappointment. Of the few teams that entered, only one team had the heart, desire, etc to bother running the entire course when conditions weren't ideal for a record setting pace (although there were claims of potential mechanical issues from a team or two). All would hope this doesn't repeat again this year.
Despite how anyone feels about about Frenz, the NPBA, or the motives for doing these events, I believe most would agree that it would be nice to see this race do well. I'm sure there are plenty of people that would love to see someone other than Frenz promoting and capitalizing on this race, and I know for a fact there are folks not running it simply because they don't want to support him, but at the end of the day at least someone is providing an avenue for this race to happen... which is probably good for everyone and good for the sport. Let's hope there's more than one boat going around the island this year and that there are no real issues or injuries. Best of luck to all!
BTW, regarding the race fuel question, I think there might be one location and hopefully someone knows the name/location of that place... but if not they would have to provide their own remote support crew on the south side of the island. They should keep in mind it could be a little rough out there so they would likely want to refuel in a protected area. If they do this refueling privately, I would hope they do it safely by keeping the transfer grounded and bonded.
EDIT: Steve remembered it!
Last edited by SS930; 09-15-2011 at 09:18 AM.
09-15-2011, 09:48 AM
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East Shore Marine Lindenhurst has 100 octane http://www.yachtworld.com/eastshorem...emarine_0.html
If anyone else knows of any other places, please keep the info coming as we may have other teams that can't make it as far as this location.
How about Montauk?
09-15-2011, 09:59 AM
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I think the reason 2fast9tech2 is asking the question is historically the NPBA / Billy Frenz events typically are very expensive and can come up short on value as he does these events "for profit".
Last year's race was flop with only a few boats entering. Why didn't more boats enter? Was it the organization, the cost, the timing, etc... Maybe all of the above. Regardless, last year's race was a disappointment. Of the few teams that entered, only one team had the heart, desire, etc to bother running the entire course when conditions weren't ideal for a record setting pace (although there were claims of potential mechanical issues from a team or two). All would hope this doesn't repeat again this year.
Last year's race was flop with only a few boats entering. Why didn't more boats enter? Was it the organization, the cost, the timing, etc... Maybe all of the above. Regardless, last year's race was a disappointment. Of the few teams that entered, only one team had the heart, desire, etc to bother running the entire course when conditions weren't ideal for a record setting pace (although there were claims of potential mechanical issues from a team or two). All would hope this doesn't repeat again this year.
If your not a racer or someone who is working toward helping this race get off the ground and be a success, please put your opinions and those of Fastech2 in the section for that.
The reason this costs what it does is very simple...There is a lot more involved.
For instance if someone asked a football player......Gee your equipment is so expensive compared to mine....why???
The football player might answer, well I have all these pads and helmet and cleats and you just have a tutu and slippers, in short.....There is a lot more involved.
There is a lot more involved and if you are not a racer and don't understand racing, then there is no way it could ever be explained to you or Fastech2....I know he still wants food as part of the deal.
Please go away and let the racers and fans of racing work on this.
Thanks
09-15-2011, 11:22 AM
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The reason this costs what it does is very simple...There is a lot more involved.
For instance if someone asked a football player......Gee your equipment is so expensive compared to mine....why???
The football player might answer, well I have all these pads and helmet and cleats and you just have a tutu and slippers, in short.....There is a lot more involved.
There is a lot more involved and if you are not a racer and don't understand racing, then there is no way it could ever be explained to you or Fastech2....I know he still wants food as part of the deal.
For instance if someone asked a football player......Gee your equipment is so expensive compared to mine....why???
The football player might answer, well I have all these pads and helmet and cleats and you just have a tutu and slippers, in short.....There is a lot more involved.
There is a lot more involved and if you are not a racer and don't understand racing, then there is no way it could ever be explained to you or Fastech2....I know he still wants food as part of the deal.
Please go away and let the racers and fans of racing work on this.
Thanks
Thanks
09-15-2011, 11:30 AM
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Charlie,
OR...they could cough up all the upfront costs, make all the commitments needed and put in all of their time to set up their own race series.....then and only then will they understand what it takes to do something like this.
I have put on a yearly event (not a race) with 100+ vehicles and hundreds of people, for the last 14 years..on MY dime...trust me, it's not so easy OR CHEAP. Couldn't even begin to imagine the logistics and costs involved with something like this.
KUDOS to ALL involved!!
OR...they could cough up all the upfront costs, make all the commitments needed and put in all of their time to set up their own race series.....then and only then will they understand what it takes to do something like this.
I have put on a yearly event (not a race) with 100+ vehicles and hundreds of people, for the last 14 years..on MY dime...trust me, it's not so easy OR CHEAP. Couldn't even begin to imagine the logistics and costs involved with something like this.
KUDOS to ALL involved!!
09-15-2011, 12:02 PM
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Charlie,
OR...they could cough up all the upfront costs, make all the commitments needed and put in all of their time to set up their own race series.....then and only then will they understand what it takes to do something like this.
I have put on a yearly event (not a race) with 100+ vehicles and hundreds of people, for the last 14 years..on MY dime...trust me, it's not so easy OR CHEAP. Couldn't even begin to imagine the logistics and costs involved with something like this.
KUDOS to ALL involved!!
OR...they could cough up all the upfront costs, make all the commitments needed and put in all of their time to set up their own race series.....then and only then will they understand what it takes to do something like this.
I have put on a yearly event (not a race) with 100+ vehicles and hundreds of people, for the last 14 years..on MY dime...trust me, it's not so easy OR CHEAP. Couldn't even begin to imagine the logistics and costs involved with something like this.
KUDOS to ALL involved!!
Charter Member
09-15-2011, 03:07 PM
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If your not a racer or someone who is working toward helping this race get off the ground and be a success, please put your opinions and those of Fastech2 in the section for that.
The reason this costs what it does is very simple...There is a lot more involved.
For instance if someone asked a football player......Gee your equipment is so expensive compared to mine....why???
The football player might answer, well I have all these pads and helmet and cleats and you just have a tutu and slippers, in short.....There is a lot more involved.
There is a lot more involved and if you are not a racer and don't understand racing, then there is no way it could ever be explained to you or Fastech2....I know he still wants food as part of the deal.
Please go away and let the racers and fans of racing work on this.
Thanks
The reason this costs what it does is very simple...There is a lot more involved.
For instance if someone asked a football player......Gee your equipment is so expensive compared to mine....why???
The football player might answer, well I have all these pads and helmet and cleats and you just have a tutu and slippers, in short.....There is a lot more involved.
There is a lot more involved and if you are not a racer and don't understand racing, then there is no way it could ever be explained to you or Fastech2....I know he still wants food as part of the deal.
Please go away and let the racers and fans of racing work on this.
Thanks
