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Chico&Zeus 09-27-2011 05:03 PM

As far as tabs & drive angle... it takes some practice. If your tabs have an indicator, on the trailer run them till they are flat and note the position of the indicator. Then run them slightly down so that the tip of the tab just extends below the bottom of the boat and note this position.

When I take off, I set the tabs to the lower position, where the tips are just below the boat. The drives are all the way down or "In". Roll the throttle on until you are on plane and cruising, then bring the tabs up to the "Level" position... anything higher than that is pointless for the most part.

Run just like this for a minute and see if the boat is leaning left or right, if it is, bump that tab down a hair (if leaning to the right bump the right tab down)

The tabs for the most part now are just for list (leaning)... if you start to get into big water you can drop them back to the lower position to make the entry of the bow into the waves a little softer.

Now let's talk about the drives, so you've got the tabs level, the drives are still down or ("in") and you are on plane. Bump up the drives a little. You will feel the speed pick up, the boat will lift up out of the water a little more, not bow up but like the whole boat is a little less in the water. Bump up the drives again, continue doing this and watch the speed. When the speed stops climbing or you start wasting prop energy by throwing a rooster tail out of the water too much then that is your limit of trim up.

If you start to hit any big waves or it starts to feel hairy at any time, drop the drives down FAST! and slow down. The boat will calm right back down.

This is just a beginners lesson, but it should get you to where you can then play with it a little to see what works and what doesn't. As far as your speed and RPM's, I want you to write down those figures after you play with this a little and find out what prop size and gear ratio your bravo 1 is and report back to us. I think you may have too big of a prop or not the correct prop from your previous RPM and speed numbers.

seafordguy 09-27-2011 07:41 PM

Just take things slow and enjoy your self - it is supposed to be fun, not stressful!!!

GeeterB 09-27-2011 07:47 PM

You are very likely to hear someone say...the 2 best days of a boaters life is the day he buys it and the day he sells it....
whoever made up that saying is not a boater....he's a tool...and doesn't understand the joys and lifetime of memories you will experience while boating with family and friends.
Be safe and enjoy:coolcowboy:

Ebay Ed 09-27-2011 07:54 PM

always have a camera and make sure you get pictures of all of the boobies and post them here

jayboat 09-27-2011 08:03 PM


Originally Posted by kreed (Post 3513445)
And make sure you have enough ropes! Actually, have MORE than enough rope.

+1

This is actually a corollary to rule #18 which states:
You can never have too much rope or too much beer on a boat.

Have fun, be safe. :drink:

Good reading:

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omerta one 09-27-2011 08:13 PM


Originally Posted by seth0687 (Post 3513746)
Thanks a bunch guys, I'm learning tons already. How bout some tips on operation? Crossing wakes safely, safe general operation, use of tabs, use of trim.

Right now I get up on plane with no tabs, drive trimmed all the way down, and I porpois (SP) a bit. Met a guy at the lake and he said that I need to trim the engine up and then put tabs down, I did that and the porpoisng got extremely bad and I wasn't comfortable with it so I got out of the throttle, trimmed back down and put tabs back nuetral. Problem is for whatever reason I'm not getting the MPH out of the boat that I think I should be able to achieve. On my wifes phone GPS, it said I hit 45.9mph at WOT. Keep in mind that I am operating at about 5280ft elevation but still. Engine RPM was reading around 4200 at WOT, couldn't get any more than that. Engine is a 502 carbed, bravo 1 drive with a bravo 1 24p prop.

Thanks,

Seth

Take the Tres Martin class.

Expensive Date 09-27-2011 08:33 PM

Learn what those markers on either side of the channel are for,the ones that are red and green.Boating on land is hard on the props:lolhit:

maddad 09-27-2011 08:34 PM

When you see someones red nav light(port side) take the long way around/ let them do what they want.
When you see someones green nav light(starbrd side) don't imagine for one second they are going to take the long way around and let you do what you want.

happy hours 09-27-2011 09:12 PM

Create a routine for the launch/retrieve process. You can make it whatever works for you. I stop above the ramp and load last minute things in the boat and remove transom straps and install plug. (have a bulkhead fitting and the plug threaded right to bunk next to tie down point). Turn on blower and put lines and fenders out if needed. Remove winch chain and loosen strap couple turns. Back in till boat barely floats. Unhook strap, enter the boat from the bow and drive off trailer and dock. Sounds harder then it is, the key for me is a sequence, things are done the same that way you cant miss steps and forget things as easily.

Griff 09-28-2011 01:13 AM


Originally Posted by seth0687 (Post 3513746)
Thanks a bunch guys, I'm learning tons already. How bout some tips on operation? Crossing wakes safely, safe general operation, use of tabs, use of trim.

Right now I get up on plane with no tabs, drive trimmed all the way down, and I porpois (SP) a bit. Met a guy at the lake and he said that I need to trim the engine up and then put tabs down, I did that and the porpoisng got extremely bad and I wasn't comfortable with it so I got out of the throttle, trimmed back down and put tabs back nuetral. Problem is for whatever reason I'm not getting the MPH out of the boat that I think I should be able to achieve. On my wifes phone GPS, it said I hit 45.9mph at WOT. Keep in mind that I am operating at about 5280ft elevation but still. Engine RPM was reading around 4200 at WOT, couldn't get any more than that. Engine is a 502 carbed, bravo 1 drive with a bravo 1 24p prop.

Thanks,

Seth

You will have to experiment with tab positions when coming up on plane. Keep the drive down and tabs at nuetral or down or bit.

How high were you trimmed to get that speed???? Its a 390hp engine and at your elevation, its probably making more like 330hp(at 5000rpms). You will most likely have to drop down to a 22p Bravo prop to get your rpms up. Running at too low of a WOT rpm is hard on the engine. I would expect the boat to run low-mid 50's at your elevation.

seth0687 09-29-2011 03:35 PM

Hey guys thanks so much for all the responses, sorry I have been so busy at work I couldn't reply.

To try and provide some answers to questions you gusy posed, when I am at speed the drive is trimmed all the way down, any trim up at all will cause me to porpoise something fierce, same with tabs, I have to keep them neutral or else it makes the porpoising worse.

Also, my tab indicators are broken, it is one of the things I was hoping to fix this winter lol. So to say the least, "I'm flying blind".

Thanks,

Seth

florida gator 09-29-2011 04:15 PM

Get a dry box/bag and keep it in the tow vehicle until you are ready to go. Prior to reaching the dock make sure phone, wallet or anything else you want to keep dry are in the box/bag and sealed.

LakeRacer 09-29-2011 05:48 PM

Flat tires
 
I have a plastic milk box container that carries the following:
a) three foot length of tow chain
b) two five ton bottle jacks
c) lug wrench
d) several pieces of 2x4 and 4x4 wood
e) rags
f) 3/4" rope
g) two ratchet straps
h) large crescent wrench and large pliers
i) small grease gun w/ extra tubes of grease
j) small bottle of break fluid if you have surge breaks
k) Goop or something similar

bert4332 09-29-2011 10:02 PM

This is pretty good advice, I'll add just a lil bit, take the boat out by yourself for a day, that way you won't drive others nutz and bore them. Play with the tabs, drives, throttling, ect.. it takes a long time to master a boat. Every boat is different, it took me almost in an entire summer to dial my in. Play with every setting and notice what the boat does, how much the bow drops, speed, chine walk, ect... It will then change in different weather conditions. The key is experimentation, again, it takes a while.

I have a drain plug that is tethered to the hole, so you can't lose it. When I put in I have a three step process, I remove the port strap (tie down) first, then put in the plug, then remove the starboard strap. That way I never forget the plug.

Good luck




Originally Posted by Chico&Zeus (Post 3513839)
As far as tabs & drive angle... it takes some practice. If your tabs have an indicator, on the trailer run them till they are flat and note the position of the indicator. Then run them slightly down so that the tip of the tab just extends below the bottom of the boat and note this position
When I take off, I set the tabs to the lower position, where the tips are just below the boat. The drives are all the way down or "In". Roll the throttle on until you are on plane and cruising, then bring the tabs up to the "Level" position... anything higher than that is pointless for the most part.

Run just like this for a minute and see if the boat is leaning left or right, if it is, bump that tab down a hair (if leaning to the right bump the right tab down)

The tabs for the most part now are just for list (leaning)... if you start to get into big water you can drop them back to the lower position to make the entry of the bow into the waves a little softer.

Now let's talk about the drives, so you've got the tabs level, the drives are still down or ("in") and you are on plane. Bump up the drives a little. You will feel the speed pick up, the boat will lift up out of the water a little more, not bow up but like the whole boat is a little less in the water. Bump up the drives again, continue doing this and watch the speed. When the speed stops climbing or you start wasting prop energy by throwing a rooster tail out of the water too much then that is your limit of trim up.

If you start to hit any big waves or it starts to feel hairy at any time, drop the drives down FAST! and slow down. The boat will calm right back down.

This is just a beginners lesson, but it should get you to where you can then play with it a little to see what works and what doesn't. As far as your speed and RPM's, I want you to write down those figures after you play with this a little and find out what prop size and gear ratio your bravo 1 is and report back to us. I think you may have too big of a prop or not the correct prop from your previous RPM and speed numbers.


Irish 09-29-2011 10:57 PM

One of the things I didn't anticipate being a new boat owner was how to handle the passengers. It's your boat - something you've obviously worked hard for. Don't be afraid to lay down the law about your rules. It seems like lots of people don't understand how much this "hobby" really costs. I've had friends walk on my boat with shoes when they thought I wasn't watching when I clearly explained to them the no shoes rule. Also don't be afraid to tell them exactly what to do when docking/rafting. I remember not having any idea what to do before I owned a boat, so I would just sit there like a useless lump. You are the boss!!

ICDEDPPL 09-29-2011 11:47 PM

Use the swim ladder.
Props are sharp.:lolhit:

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pullmytrigger 09-29-2011 11:52 PM

Bump in and out of gear when approaching a dock to keep the speed down......come in slow.....REALLY slow.....so slow that you should be able to stop your boat from hitting something by sticking out your foot.

Get a couple of boat hooks and have them ready when you pull up to a dock if and when you completely screw up.....they may keep you from hitting my boat....haha!

pullmytrigger 09-30-2011 12:05 AM

Each and EVERY SINGLE TIME even if you have just stopped.....before you hit the sticks and go up on plane have a good slow look around 360 deg and familiarize yourself with other boats, rafts, jet skis, swimmers, big rocks, markers whatever and make sure its clear.

pullmytrigger 09-30-2011 12:33 AM

When approaching another boat head on I'll make a quick little turn of the wheel so the other boater can clearly see my boat change direction.......the other boater will be able to understand where I intend on going or what side I intend on passing him on....its called "making your intentions clear"

I hate these guys that come towards you in this big long looping turn for about a half a mile you dont know WTF they are going to do.

Lastly I tell my passengers before we go if I suddenly turn around and say "HANG ON!" I mean HANG ON!!.....it usually means were about to hit some big cruiser wakes and they better be prepared.....they could be talking or looking somewhere else and not paying attention to whats coming up in front.

Bajambug 09-30-2011 01:45 AM

lots of rope
lots of common sense
lots of patients

I don't know why your porpoising so suddenly at that speed. Perhaps you took off without having the drives all the way in, you should be able to level out your drives quite a bit at close to 50mph

every time you bump the drive button, you should/will be able to see the rpm go up a little, and the speed should go a little with it. As someone else mentioned, when the speed stops, you're starting to trim too far. If your porpoising, you've definitely trimmed too far, and just back off a bit.

I'm under the belief that a 4 blade is a little better for cruising and getting up on plane fast, then it is for top speed on a boat your size, i'm sure someone here will correct me however.

your boat will be faster with less gas/junk/people on board. So keep the clutter down and the girls skinny.

use the rule of thirds for fuel... 1/3rd to get out, 1/3rd to get back, and 1/3rd for reserve just in case.

Don't go faster then your abilities, which can greatly depend on weather conditions too. (this is a judgement call....)

if you're going on a trip, give someone your itinerary, that way if there's problems, people know how to find you.

I carry a floating VHF radio with me as well as the one on board, it is convenient to have, i tend to keep one on the weather station (this is a personal preference)

Check the weather before heading out, also check the local radar, and if you plan on being out for long periods or travel, learn how to read Mafor *marine forcast* coding.

Bajambug 09-30-2011 01:51 AM

learn about rights of ways, and what markers in your area mean. Learn what all your nav lights stand for.

Uncle Dave 09-30-2011 08:52 AM

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If you can take a coast guard safety class.
Have your boat certified in the process.

After 20 years of boatiing I was actually able to learn a thing or two, it was fun and the guys were cool.

Side benefits:

1. You get an insurance break.

2. You get a sticker that is the equivalent of a get out of jail free card to put on your boat.

3. It may actually save your life. (at risk of sounding like dad)

Uncle Dave

machloosy 09-30-2011 12:54 PM

Seth, these guys are all very right with the Coast Guard Course suggestion. Should you ever meet one of MANY agencies that patrol the water, that sticker on the side of the boat along with a decent amount of respect in how you treat them go a LOOONG way! Now for some driving, as a general rule of thumb on your convincor, with the drive completely tucked, go to 2/3 or 3/4 throttle. Just hang on and deal with the porpoising, and begin to adjust your drive trim UP until the wake is breaking inline with your seat/bolster. Thats generally pretty close to optimal trim on boats in the 23-27ft range. Now, if she is still porpoising, its time to go to work with your tabs. Mess with the settings until she settles. It also sounds like your prop pitch is a bit high. Count on 300rpm increase for every degree you drop. So if your at 4200rpm with a 24P, a 23P should yield 4500 and so on. Look in your manual or on mercury's site for the engines intended operating range and try to get in the middle of that with 2-4 people on board. Most of all, have a blast and spend LOTS of time on the water!


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