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Scarab29 12-28-2011 06:36 AM

Sunsation vs Advantage
 
I have been looking a 32 Sunsation mcob and came across a 32 Advantage mcob. I am not familar with the Advantage how do they stack up ? ..thanks

bert4332 12-28-2011 09:08 AM


Originally Posted by Scarab29 (Post 3580611)
I have been looking a 32 Sunsation mcob and came across a 32 Advantage mcob. I am not familar with the Advantage how do they stack up ? ..thanks

I almost pulled the trigger on a 32 Advantage MCOB with twin 525efis, but it would need an entire new paint job. (see link) The boats are fast and this one ran into the 90s. They are decent in the rough, but not great, they normally don't come with any type of K-planes, I think they have a 23 degree deadrise vs 24. I liked this particular 32, it had TONS of room because of the way the cockpit was laid out, 4 bolsters plus a bench. The 27, not so much. I've been on both and the 32 is the way to go. The boat rides "different", can't really explain it. Comparing the two, the advantage is a very fast hull, but depending on where you are boating, I would edge the Sunny in the rough. The Advantage is a bigger boat, cockpit is huge! I love the look of the Sunny, best looking MCOB design in the industry. I know that some Advantage owners complained that the hatch in the mid-cabin always dumped any surrounding water around the hatch into the cabin when they opened it.

Cost goes to the Advantage easily, if you have the time, I would definitely try to get on board on both.

http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/f...-has-done.html

Good Luck

ZP'd 12-28-2011 09:41 AM

I'd suggest to really compare the craftsmanship between the two and see which one cheaps out in just the areas you see readily. No comparision between the two if fit and finish along with rigging is of any concern. I shopped both as well at one time and the difference was very apparent.

You caould tell which had employees who took pride in their work and who had obviously been with the company a long time. You'll never beat Sunsation Customer Service either.

H20 Toie 12-28-2011 10:51 AM

I have ridden in both and there is no comparison. The Sunsation is by far a better boat.

Knot 4 Me 12-28-2011 11:18 AM

From my observations the fit and finish is better on the Sunny. I've driven the Sunny but not the Advantage. What is most important to you with this purchase?

4bus 12-28-2011 11:33 AM

I always liked the looks of the Advantage, however when I saw one up close this summer I realized they are not using a lot of today's building technology for fit and finish. Areas of the cockpit and cabin looked dated. Carpet walls, glued carpet floor. Little hardware items just seemed cheap. Round cabin hatch looks 70's to me. Not saying it is a bad boat, just reminded me of mid 90's tech is all.

Baja_342 12-28-2011 11:44 AM

I've only been on one Advantage (27 Victory). Was not impressed at all with the build quality.

Scarab29 12-28-2011 07:48 PM

Thanks for the input. I just looked and this boat has no k-planes .. Why is that ?

bert4332 12-28-2011 07:57 PM


Originally Posted by Scarab29 (Post 3581201)
Thanks for the input. I just looked and this boat has no k-planes .. Why is that ?

They feel they don't need them, and in Lake Havasu you probably don't. The boat gets on plane very easily, but again, it's not the best rough water boat, so it is not included by Advantage unless specified as an extra. The Advantages I rode in and looked at the rigging and fit & finish were not as bad as described as other have just described, not saying others aren't, but the ones I looked at the rigging was ok, not great, not like some Kachinas I looked at. Again, rigging and fit & finish is reflected in the price, you're not going to pay through the nose for an Advantage boat. Again, best advice is always go for sea trial, and get a good surveyor.

Scarab29 12-28-2011 08:11 PM

I know the 32 advantage I am looking at is a bigger boat than the 29 Scarab I had but I used the planes alot in the 29, I also run in some salt water. Not sure I want to be without them.

DaBank 12-28-2011 09:54 PM


Originally Posted by 4bus (Post 3580818)
I always liked the looks of the Advantage, however when I saw one up close this summer I realized they are not using a lot of today's building technology for fit and finish. Areas of the cockpit and cabin looked dated. Carpet walls, glued carpet floor. Little hardware items just seemed cheap. Round cabin hatch looks 70's to me. Not saying it is a bad boat, just reminded me of mid 90's tech is all.

I have a 2006 32 Advantage and the cockpit aera is very modern with fiberglass floor and snap in carpet and has quad drop down captain chairs. Round hatch is old/weird looking but I dont think it looks bad on this boat. I had a 2950 Lavey before is and Lavey has better fit/finish than Advantage, on the west coast Advantage and same with Lavey are in the top 10 best built/longest running companies. Gelcoat is great on it cockpit has built in icechest/cup holders/ski locker/fiberglass rear seat base and engine hatch. Frank

DaBank 12-28-2011 09:58 PM


Originally Posted by bert4332 (Post 3580720)
I almost pulled the trigger on a 32 Advantage MCOB with twin 525efis, but it would need an entire new paint job. (see link) The boats are fast and this one ran into the 90s. They are decent in the rough, but not great, they normally don't come with any type of K-planes, I think they have a 23 degree deadrise vs 24. I liked this particular 32, it had TONS of room because of the way the cockpit was laid out, 4 bolsters plus a bench. The 27, not so much. I've been on both and the 32 is the way to go. The boat rides "different", can't really explain it. Comparing the two, the advantage is a very fast hull, but depending on where you are boating, I would edge the Sunny in the rough. The Advantage is a bigger boat, cockpit is huge! I love the look of the Sunny, best looking MCOB design in the industry. I know that some Advantage owners complained that the hatch in the mid-cabin always dumped any surrounding water around the hatch into the cabin when they opened it.

Cost goes to the Advantage easily, if you have the time, I would definitely try to get on board on both.

http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/f...-has-done.html

Good Luck

I only boat in Havasu and it gets rough not like the ocean but I have never had any water come over the bow and never even water spots on the mid cabin deck that could let water come thru the hatch? Frank

DMOORE 12-29-2011 02:09 AM

Just one thing to remember with the Advantage, is that they are custom boats. Each one is different. The range of amenities from one boat to another can be very different. With that said, the Advantage 32 is a great lake boat. With the 23 degree hull, its very fast with reasonable power, but not the best bet for a true blue water boat. It's about the perfect Havasu boat.



Darrell.

Scarab29 12-29-2011 07:10 AM

I would think that I almost NEED trim tabs. I am paralyzed from the waist down so i use the tabs to keep the bow down when going slow or in a no wake zone so I can see over the bow. How much would it cost to have a set installed ?

Run_em_hard 12-29-2011 08:48 AM

My last boat was an Advantage and my father has owned 4. They are fantastic boats. As others have said, they are completely custom boats. You will never see two alike. That is a huge selling point IMO. Thier customer service is also fantastic. I always make it a point to stop in thier shop everytime I am in Havasu just to chat with them. As much as I love and use my tabs on my scarab, the advantage had no need for them. I believe that the bottoms are designed to not need them.

the bear 12-29-2011 10:02 AM

The 32 Advantage does not need the tabs due to the fact the Center of Gravity is moved forward, I have owned both a 32 and a 27, the 27 has hook in the bottom wich is why it doesnt, the 32 COG is forward so it planes with out and rides nose heavy, I have ridden in 32s with tabs also, and I must say the ride is a lot better in the snotty stuff at LOTO with the tabs. So in my opinion no you do not need them but they do make the ride better with them.

bert4332 12-29-2011 10:36 AM


Originally Posted by the bear (Post 3581499)
The 32 Advantage does not need the tabs due to the fact the Center of Gravity is moved forward, I have owned both a 32 and a 27, the 27 has hook in the bottom wich is why it doesnt, the 32 COG is forward so it planes with out and rides nose heavy, I have ridden in 32s with tabs also, and I must say the ride is a lot better in the snotty stuff at LOTO with the tabs. So in my opinion no you do not need them but they do make the ride better with them.

+1

Scarab29 12-29-2011 07:37 PM

I don't see how the COG is forward, There is no swim platform to speak of so the motors are back even further than a boat with a platform ?

You guys are calling this a "Lake boat" If I take this boat and run it in the salt will it end up with alot of stress cracks or alteast more than say the Sunsation ?

the bear 12-30-2011 07:35 AM

the cockpit is extended forward, allowing them to add the second row of bolsters, this little adjustment moves the COG forward. Also, their is weight added forward with the open bow.

Mirage30 12-31-2011 10:11 AM

We bought a 32 Advantage from Lake Havazu.
We use it in South Florida ,was on the Key West Pokerrun ,drive back from KW to Ft Myers(open Sea)3-5ft Wake no problem!
Advantage without trim tabs no problem on plan or topspeed.
The Sunsation looking better,but from the backside not so good(to high).

Run_em_hard 01-03-2012 12:41 PM


Originally Posted by Scarab29 (Post 3581911)
I don't see how the COG is forward, There is no swim platform to speak of so the motors are back even further than a boat with a platform ?

You guys are calling this a "Lake boat" If I take this boat and run it in the salt will it end up with alot of stress cracks or alteast more than say the Sunsation ?

Advantage can handle rough water. They actually use to offshore race, not sure if they do anymore. I had my 22' Advantage in 5' breakers before, no problems, wasn't fun though. In that same storm my sister was in thier 25' Advantage, again not one problem. Thier build quality is superior. They are not the type of boat mfg that is constantly trying to lighten and build for speed. They are strong, well laid out, high quality custom boats.

Sunsation0032 01-05-2012 02:21 AM

I looked at both models before going with the sunny. The only thing i didnt like about the advantage was the cabin carpet wasnt snap out and the door to the open bow was tiny. Other than that i liked both. Seems like the advantages are normally priced about 10% lower too


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