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I'm with Tex (mostly).
This new OL is sharp, sleek and sexy, I'll give it that much...but utterly impractical. I'm sure she's fast and fun, but definitely not for me...not enough freeboard for my liking and in FL, easy anchoring, swimming and docking is a must. |
The TUFF 28 runs 95mph with a 525. I'm guessing it costs a heck of a lot less too.
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This particular color scheme would not work in Arizona in the summer, but the boat can more than likely be ordered with different colors and surfaces so I canot "nick" the boat itself for these choices- they are simply not ones I could or would (nor anyone else I boat with ) make.
I would prefer an ITS to a regular drive with dual ram external steering ad think for the prices being floated out so far that should be standard Talking about singles vs twins - customers looking at this have already made the choice to go single, and big singles are hard on drives - especially older heavier 27-30 foot singles. This will likely be a bit easier on the drive as its a bit lighter but what does it weigh rigged and shown as is? I havent seen under deck, the rear sets, or whats under the engine hatch, nor what storage spaces are available. The issue of access to the water seems valid, I swim all the time (especially in Arizona) and need to be able to get on and off the boat easily. Interested in more detail. Uncle Dave |
AR 15meister where out of Toronto do you boat. I normally boat out of the Park Lawn ramp in up until The middle of June before I bring the boat up to Lake Simcoe , Jackson's Point. Maybe we can hook up at Snug Harbour.
Rick G. |
Originally Posted by Uncle Dave
(Post 3620592)
This particular color scheme would not work in Arizona in the summer, but the boat can more than likely be ordered with different colors and surfaces so I canot "nick" the boat itself for these choices- they are simply not ones I could or would (nor anyone else I boat with ) make.
I would prefer an ITS to a regular drive with dual ram external steering ad think for the prices being floated out so far that should be standard Talking about singles vs twins - customers looking at this have already made the choice to go single, and big singles are hard on drives - especially older heavier 27-30 foot singles. This will likely be a bit easier on the drive as its a bit lighter but what does it weigh rigged and shown as is? I havent seen under deck, the rear sets, or whats under the engine hatch, nor what storage spaces are available. The issue of access to the water seems valid, I swim all the time (especially in Arizona) and need to be able to get on and off the boat easily. Interested in more detail. Uncle Dave Boat weighs under 5k. Cabin is about the size of a 25' outlaw and no storage under the seat. Enough space on both side of the motors for double fender holders. It's a really nice piece Ive stopped by that boat the past three days. With an ilmore 650 it would be tons of fun. |
Originally Posted by socalstone
(Post 3620021)
Uh... Let me guess - the boat you have FOR SALE has twins?
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Originally Posted by TexomaPowerboater
(Post 3620212)
Physics? Do you know what torque steer is? Thats the problem with all big single engine boats..........torque steer. In general, most of the 28ft+ boats with single 500+hp are also plagued with out drive problems on a regular basis.........especially in rough water use......... which may be why OL and merc are rumored to not be getting along. Don't believe me go look at all the big powerd sabers, panteras, activators, etc. Their always fighting drive problems.......which makes for an unreliable boat IMO. I may be entirely wrong seeing that it doesn't appear to be a 29ft boat at all. I'm just throwing out words of caution. This boat could certainly be lightened enough to eliminate drive concerns and maximize speed by going to a bare bones cabin and super light layup, but really, at that point your much better off going with a 28 skater or the like. I don't have any problem with ya'll drinking the koolaid but I'm not going to be forcefed the utter BS coming out of the three plus threads on this boat just cause it has an OL on the side. I mean chit guys, you act like you never seen a bustle on the stern of a boat before..........OL puts one on a 28 to call it a 29 and you guys run around pretending its a revolutionary design. This boat isn't any more or less revolutionary than the deck design of the failed adrenaline 30 or the steps of the new 38 HyperSonic. Did I hear 90mph with the 525? If so this boat doesn't even match up to a superboat Y2K IMO, the superboat is two feet longer, has a useable cabin, and will run close to the same speeds with a 525, while costing the buyer almost half as much. The 29 warlock will run 100mph with 525 and cost half as much. So whats left? The shiny bezels and chrome? The paint job and colors that makes the entire boat useless in warm climates? Not for $100K over the competition......... I have a big single, and torque steer is almost nonexistent unless you are trimmed waay up. I can run 80+ all day cruising without even holding on to the wheel. yes, drive longevity can suffer, but I got 82 hours on my upper gears before a rebuild and just turned 120hours on the lower gears without a rebuild, and that is with 60 hours of 800hp and the rest at 750hp N/A. Also, if you have never ridden in a sit down boat, I highly suggest you try it. After three seasons sitting in my boat, standing feels terrible while riding in friends boats. I will take my light single any day of the week. |
Was in this booth yesterday, very disappointed. The two boats in the booth were average a best. Fit \ finish and quality ?????
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Originally Posted by TexomaPowerboater
(Post 3620009)
Few things I don't like:
1) Rear vents that are way too close to the water. One wake against the transom and those vents will be underwater. 2) The stern design makes poor use of length and pretty much eliminates any effort to have a working swim platform or a ladder. 3) Looks very hard to get to the bow. 4) Cockpit is limited to sit down seating. 5) Colors chosen will be extremely hot in the summer. So much so that you simply could not enjoy sitting in the cockpit of this boat in TX in the dead heat of summer for any length of time with the motors off. Your best bet will be to jump in the water, but your pretty much SOL if you want to get back in.
Originally Posted by TexomaPowerboater
(Post 3620212)
I've had tons of interest in my boat for sale. Its priced just right. Your baja friends might not think its priced right........The guys driving cigarettes and skaters think its priced more than fair.
Physics? Do you know what torque steer is? Thats the problem with all big single engine boats..........torque steer. In general, most of the 28ft+ boats with single 500+hp are also plagued with out drive problems on a regular basis.........especially in rough water use......... which may be why OL and merc are rumored to not be getting along. Don't believe me go look at all the big powerd sabers, panteras, activators, etc. Their always fighting drive problems.......which makes for an unreliable boat IMO. I may be entirely wrong seeing that it doesn't appear to be a 29ft boat at all. I'm just throwing out words of caution. This boat could certainly be lightened enough to eliminate drive concerns and maximize speed by going to a bare bones cabin and super light layup, but really, at that point your much better off going with a 28 skater or the like. I don't have any problem with ya'll drinking the koolaid but I'm not going to be forcefed the utter BS coming out of the three plus threads on this boat just cause it has an OL on the side. I mean chit guys, you act like you never seen a bustle on the stern of a boat before..........OL puts one on a 28 to call it a 29 and you guys run around pretending its a revolutionary design. This boat isn't any more or less revolutionary than the deck design of the failed adrenaline 30 or the steps of the new 38 HyperSonic. Did I hear 90mph with the 525? If so this boat doesn't even match up to a superboat Y2K IMO, the superboat is two feet longer, has a useable cabin, and will run close to the same speeds with a 525, while costing the buyer almost half as much. The 29 warlock will run 100mph with 525 and cost half as much. So whats left? The shiny bezels and chrome? The paint job and colors that makes the entire boat useless in warm climates? Not for $100K over the competition......... |
Originally Posted by Philm
(Post 3621184)
A pleasure Y2K doesnt even come close to running 90mph with a 525efi, at least none that I have seen. I have seen that it takes them 800hp to even run in the 90's. I will have to see proof of this pleasure 29 warlock running 100mph with a 525, because that is faster than the SVL boats, which are basically potatoe chips with seats in them.
I have a big single, and torque steer is almost nonexistent unless you are trimmed waay up. I can run 80+ all day cruising without even holding on to the wheel. yes, drive longevity can suffer, but I got 82 hours on my upper gears before a rebuild and just turned 120hours on the lower gears without a rebuild, and that is with 60 hours of 800hp and the rest at 750hp N/A. Also, if you have never ridden in a sit down boat, I highly suggest you try it. After three seasons sitting in my boat, standing feels terrible while riding in friends boats. I will take my light single any day of the week. Fact is regardless of initial fit or finish, or personal color preferences, or this material or design or not...I think it warrants kudos to introduce a new model single in this market. :angry-smiley-044: I guess I look at it as an opportunity in a few years to pick up a used one...just like any make of boat for quite a price break from new? I think its exciting to see any kind of new Styles or Designs on the Drawing Boards.... these manufacturers take all the risk in presenting something like this. Why not give them the benefit of the doubt? Lets consider that and what a positive it is for the Performance Boat Industry... lets table the criticism and sideline talk until the real numbers are out there...and if you don't like it... don't buy it? Why dwell on the negative and focus on that? That's the beauty of being in America and having choices... personally I think its awesome...and my hat is off to all the folks at the Miami Show who bust their collective butts to give us Dreamers... something to think about as we close our eyes every night.... wheather its state of the art components, LED lights, props, motors, drives and of course boats. It's a great time...to be alive, to have choices...enjoy what you have...enjoy the talent that those around us have shared...and one day ...maybe you will be lucky enough to test drive one, or bring one home... whatever style fits your fancy. :boat: Look at the Auto Industry and the resurgence of all the Retro Designs coming back, the smaller Sport Car intros coming out... its about as exciting as I can recall since the 60's and early 70's. It's great to have choices, and its even better to be able act on them with your wallet. Lets give these guys(Engine Builders, Distributors, Suppliers, Manufacturers) our support for all they do .... Doc of Random Thoughts :ernaehrung004: |
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