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KWright 02-12-2012 08:18 PM


Originally Posted by US1 Fountain (Post 3615623)
Can't have that kind of attitude here. Gotta pick your brand and talk chit about the rest. And what you don't know for fact, you make up.

lol :evilb::evilb::evilb:

43sv 02-12-2012 08:21 PM

Just some info i have turned up my 1075s on my 43 and have seen speeds over 150. Not to let cat out of the bag , but have bin in another 43 at factory with 1400hp and seen 178 on rev limiter. Mike can break record at any time, more worried in building and selling boats right now.

TeamShogren.com 02-12-2012 08:22 PM

Fountain Race Boat / KILO Boat
 
The same person that bought the boat from Pier 57 a few years ago still owns it today.

The transom was not damaged from use or build. The boat was set up for 6's when Reggie set the KILO with it. The 1550's were taken out by Reggie Jr, he also filled the transom and converted to a 525 Bravo boat. When the current owner bought the boat he converted it to a SSM6 boat and had Capt Naber's beef up the transom. The boat is currently on consignment with us and has fresh power.

http://www.teamshogren.com/pre-owned...race-boat.html

Regards,

Shogren

www.teamshogren.com


Originally Posted by thirdchildhood (Post 3615624)
The shop where I saw the Fountain was in Illinois ;) .


thirdchildhood 02-12-2012 09:16 PM


Originally Posted by Team Shogren (Post 3616061)
The same person that bought the boat from Pier 57 a few years ago still owns it today.

The transom was not damaged from use or build. The boat was set up for 6's when Reggie set the KILO with it. The 1550's were taken out by Reggie Jr, he also filled the transom and converted to a 525 Bravo boat. When the current owner bought the boat he converted it to a SSM6 boat and had Capt Naber's beef up the transom. The boat is currently on consignment with us and has fresh power.

http://www.teamshogren.com/pre-owned...race-boat.html

Regards,

Shogren

www.teamshogren.com

Well that is quite a bit different than the story I was told by Tom McNabb and I did see the ultra thin outer skin. But who am I to argue with Team Shogren. Good luck with the sale.

TeamShogren.com 02-12-2012 09:29 PM

Isn't this an OL thread?
 
I did not personally see the repair, were only told by Tom that it was beefed up and that when it was rigged with Bravo's it could have been done better. It's our understanding that the thickness was not problem, but rather the way it was fixed when converted from 6's to Bravo's. I am not sure if owner of boat is on board but I am sure if he is he would be happy to share any insight or pictures. Tom is one of the best in the industry at transoms. Darn shame it was ever converted from 6's to bravos. No question it was light layup and if you know Tom you know any work owner did was done properly. Still a very cool boat at the end of the day and can be seen from time to time on Lake MI. Can't be to bad, after all it still holds the kilo and has never delaminated. A bit more HP and it would be a great poker run boat or enter in a P Class for racing.

Regards,

Shogren

www.teamshogren.com


Originally Posted by thirdchildhood (Post 3616103)
Well that is quite a bit different than the story I was told by Tom McNabb and I did see the ultra thin outer skin. But who am I to argue with Team Shogren. Good luck with the sale.


TeamShogren.com 02-12-2012 09:37 PM

Kilo Boat
 
If this is the boat you saw, this s the one that had the kilo. It was the RioRoses/Fountain/Pier 57 boat that was driven by Reggie Sr & Ben Robertson to set the record. Pretty cool piece of history. Yes, it was the one at Naber's that had to be taken care of after they converted from 6's to bravo's back to 6's.

http://www.teamshogren.com/pre-owned...race-boat.html

Hope that helps.

Regards,

Shogren

OL makes a very cool boat as well and who know's, maybe Reggie Fountain and or Mike Fiore are up to something and a new kilo in the future. A square off and rematch would be a cool idea that maybe some others would consider getting involved for bragging rights.


Originally Posted by thirdchildhood (Post 3615931)
I'd like to see Fountain match the 171 record with a boat based on a production lay-up hull. But it can't happen because things have changed at Fountain.

I don't know. It's all confusing. I've been trying to do research on this but cannot come up with the boat I saw in the shop. It may not have even said Rio Roses. This was in Feb '09 that I saw this boat at a well known glass shop west of Chicago. I had a good discussion with the owner of the shop and he showed me how thin the outer skin was where some holes were exposed on the side. It was a record speed setting Fountain but was not the boat that went 171.


thirdchildhood 02-13-2012 06:34 AM


Originally Posted by Team Shogren (Post 3616124)
If this is the boat you saw, this s the one that had the kilo. It was the RioRoses/Fountain/Pier 57 boat that was driven by Reggie Sr & Ben Robertson to set the record. Pretty cool piece of history. Yes, it was the one at Naber's that had to be taken care of after they converted from 6's to bravo's back to 6's.

http://www.teamshogren.com/pre-owned...race-boat.html

Hope that helps.

Regards,

Shogren

OL makes a very cool boat as well and who know's, maybe Reggie Fountain and or Mike Fiore are up to something and a new kilo in the future. A square off and rematch would be a cool idea that maybe some others would consider getting involved for bragging rights.

I really cannot be sure if that was the boat. I did not take pictures. There was a large logo at the stern that was half gone and covered in primer. It may have said Pier 57, I don't remember. The outer layer of glass at the side thru-hulls was literally no more that 2 mm thick. If I were buying that boat I would have my surveyor pop out a thru-hull and look at the lay-up. You might want to correct the speed record in the description from 177.883 to 171.883. ;) Here is why I was there; I took my Donzi to get some cosmetic warranty glass work done and the Fountain was in the shop.
http://i763.photobucket.com/albums/x...s101Medium.jpg

TeamShogren.com 02-13-2012 06:44 AM

Nice Donzi Classic
 
Very cool Donzi Classic, Tom restores quite a few of those for people. You are right ALL boats should be surveyed, it's the best $13 - $16.00 per ft a consumer can spend. There is actually a new FLIR camera that some surveyors have that works like an xray machine and they can see into the structure, it's very cool.

Regards,

Shogren


Originally Posted by thirdchildhood (Post 3616216)
I really cannot be sure if that was the boat. I did not take pictures. There was a large logo at the stern that was half gone and covered in primer. It may have said Pier 57, I don't remember. The outer layer of glass at the side thru-hulls was literally no more that 2 mm thick. If I were buying that boat I would have my surveyor pop out a thru-hull and look at the lay-up. You might want to correct the speed record in the description from 177.883 to 171.883. ;) Here is why I was there; I took my Donzi to get some cosmetic warranty glass work done and the Fountain was in the shop.
http://i763.photobucket.com/albums/x...s101Medium.jpg


thirdchildhood 02-13-2012 07:47 AM

Thanks man. I want you to know that I have great respect for Shogren and also Pier 57. I have said my 6 cents worth and that's that. :)

Downtown42 02-13-2012 08:14 AM


Originally Posted by thisistank (Post 3616009)
Don't roll your eyes at me! :lolhit:

I was just giving the reported numbers of all recent attempts for argument sake. Yes, I know there was controversey surrounding the OL attempt and following claim of the record but I think after everything was said and done (meaining Fountain came back and beat everyone), no one questioned the 161.29 run.

You're a cop in CA correct?

If you pull me over for speeding and I challenge you in court with my hand held "State of the Art GPS" that disputes your certified calibrated radar, do I get a "Get out of Jail Free" card? :lolhit: :evilb:


Immediate Release:
> February 9, 2004
>
> In a certified speed trial, sanctioned by the NATIONAL POWERBOAT
> ASSOCIATION on Friday, February 6, 2004, Mike Fiore, President of
> OUTERLIMITS POWERBOATS, averaged 161.29 MPH for a kilometer verified on
> "state of the art" GPS
in his new 47' canopied model named, "XXX". This
run
> took place on Narragansett Bay, Rhode Island at 3 pm EST, February 6,
2004,
> on a chilly, drizzly afternoon. After travelling North over a mile out of
> the channel at 161.88 MPH and returning South at 160.7 MPH, the average
> speed was 161.29 MPH. This makes the 47 GTX the first V-Bottom to eclipse
> the 160 MPH barrier in an officially sanctioned event. This run was
> confirmed by co-pilot, Billy Frenz, Executive Director of the NPBA. This
> boat is powered by twin 1450 HP Sterling Engines with No. 6 Merc
> Speedmasters and Hering Propellers.
> OUTERLIMITS presently holds the Official V-Bottom Kilo Record of
149.7
> MPH in a 42' GTX model, also powered with twim 1450 HP Sterlings, Merc
> Speedmasters and Hering Props. This record was set in Washington, North
> Carolina on October 3, 2003 and officiated by Poker Runs of America.
> "What a rush!!!" exclaimed Billy Frenz as he emerged from the cockpit
> after the run..."This boat is going to disappoint a lot of Cat owners at
our
> NEW YORK CITY POWERBOAT RALLY"...referring to the annual June event held
on
> the Hudson River that determines the fastest catamarans and the fastest
> V-bottoms.
> For further info visit: www.nationalpowerboat.com
> or, www.outerlimitspowerboats.com


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