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I agree it's the first to get the card.
This whole thing just shows how strong Mercury is these days. For the DCB to push that hard for that long just shows how's strong the Merc motors are. It seems if you have. It power that last you will get there first regardless of what brand Cat you are in. MP |
Originally Posted by HTRDLNCN
(Post 3688904)
they are not complaining about DS , its the fact that what happens at one event affects all events,
as boats get more powerful and faster bad accidents are only gonna increase as has been seen in the last couple years. I LOVE powerboating and going fast but boats going 180-200mph on inland lakes that are full of boaters is a bit mind boggling. I think people are just worried if we have one big incident poker runs will go away all together,everywhere. All it takes is some jerkoff in a pontoon boat full of kids to be in the wrong place at the wrong time..Wont matter whose fault it is we will all get blamed. I tend to think the guys going 200 MPH outside of a closed course are the jerkoffs, not the guy in the pontoon with his kids that didn't happen to know a poker run was going on that day. Why do we assume that others should just get out of our way? Unless the pontoon came out of the marina that was holding the PR, how the hell would they have a clue a bullet is headed toward them at 200 MPH? |
Originally Posted by TCBoss302
(Post 3689017)
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I tend to think the guys going 200 MPH outside of a closed course are the jerkoffs, not the guy in the pontoon with his kids that didn't happen to know a poker run was going on that day. Why do we assume that others should just get out of our way? Unless the pontoon came out of the marina that was holding the PR, how the hell would they have a clue a bullet is headed toward them at 200 MPH? |
Keep posting Boatme.... I bet $20 that you would have at least 12 posts by 10PM this evening. I'm counting on you!!! :D:D
Now, as far as who is first to the card stop, IT'S THE GUY THAT GETS THE FIRST CARD!!!! |
Originally Posted by TCBoss302
(Post 3689017)
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I tend to think the guys going 200 MPH outside of a closed course are the jerkoffs, not the guy in the pontoon with his kids that didn't happen to know a poker run was going on that day. Why do we assume that others should just get out of our way? Unless the pontoon came out of the marina that was holding the PR, how the hell would they have a clue a bullet is headed toward them at 200 MPH? |
Then there's the thought the pontoon (or any other boater) does not care for poker runs and just wants to have a day on the lake. He has every right to put put down the middle. :) Maybe not the brightest idea, but there are those out there that feel that way.
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Originally Posted by TCBoss302
(Post 3689017)
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I tend to think the guys going 200 MPH outside of a closed course are the jerkoffs, not the guy in the pontoon with his kids that didn't happen to know a poker run was going on that day. Why do we assume that others should just get out of our way? Unless the pontoon came out of the marina that was holding the PR, how the hell would they have a clue a bullet is headed toward them at 200 MPH? That said, yes, the lake is open for normal business and everybody has the right to be on the lake and it is incumbent upon the poker run participants to be mindful and respect that fact... and that fact is DRILLED into the participants over and over at every drivers meeting.... Sounds to me like any other poker run in the country. |
Originally Posted by US1 Fountain
(Post 3689142)
Then there's the thought the pontoon (or any other boater) does not care for poker runs and just wants to have a day on the lake. He has every right to put put down the middle. :) Maybe not the brightest idea, but there are those out there that feel that way.
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Ok guys let me address few concerns as well as correct a SERIOUS misconception.
To correct the most common misconception first. 1. The phrase "The Promoters" is used over and over in this thread.. To be very clear I am not part of Desert Storm. I am NOT a promoter. We are a group of guys that got together and went out and filmed an event to the best of our abilities. We on our own went out and solicited some sponsorship to help offset the enormous cost of equipment, helicopters, paid TV personalities etc.. Jim Nichols and the PROMOTERS are doing their very best and are VERY CLEAR that it is NOT a race and they quite frankly do not give 2 shiats about the 1st card stop or who was there. Please see video at 9:25 mark.. In the drivers meeting people are told to NOT drive aggressively and if they want to be that guy then to save it for the shootout.. Now for a second and more important part.. Please read this exceprt from the article I wrote titled "DCB taking down Desert Storm part 1 / 2" DCB Takes Down Desert Storm! Part 1 of 2 It's sort of taboo in this day and age to talk about “1st to Card Stop One” because as we all know a poker run is certainly not a race. As a matter of fact in this years Desert Storm at least one “team” is going to quietly get disqualified for treating it as such. As poker runs evolve more and more are incorporating a “Shoot Out” to detract from the friendly and sometimes not so friendly competition of first to the card stop. Overall the new formats will increase safety of the events, as well in theory provide a better show for the spectators as Huge horsepower rigs, both piston and turbine driven, unleash all they have in a mile long course. In a controlled environment and a shorter 1 mile course it should be easier for the spectators to get a better view of the action as well. RDP has never been known to be politically correct though, and while the events are evolving this years Desert Storm and the chatter leading up to it had that same competitive vibe with respect to the infamous “Wozencraft Insurance Card Stop 1.” In short it's not my job to create the news, or judge it, or alter it, I've always viewed my position to attend the event, and more or less tell it like it is.. The idea that "if" something happened "then..." is certainly an arguable point, and I can completely respect boatme's opinions with regard to that.. But the fact is we covered it past tense, and nothing happened, and the promoters are making the changes, so the idea that this could potentially hurt something in the future is ludicrous.. Point in fact if ANYTHING this helps draw attention too the fact that Desert Storm is being a leader in the Poker Run circuit by encouraging participation in the shootout, and even taking steps to defuse the competition relating to card stop one. If someone somewhere else, possibly mars, has an event and "something" happens and potentially the sky falls in, and I get subpoenaed to a court case to testify that Poker runs are in fact thinly veiled races.. My testimony is going to say very clearly "During the event that the video in question is being discussed yes there was a friendly competition of who would be first.. That being said it happened in the PAST, and the promoters were proactive, BEFORE incident to change the dynamic of the event so that it would minimize that competition and put it into a more politically correct and structured/controlled setting. I know other promoters event coordinators have been doing the same. While it was a fun and enjoyable thing to watch back then, unfortunately due to today's litigious society it is fairly well known that Poker run's are not races." So let me set you guys straight on a couple of things that are living in the "if this then that" land.. "If" xyz happened at an event "then" this video isn't gonna amount to a hill of beans.. Removing it / Changing it / whatever'ing it isn't going to change the fact that the blood sucking lawyers are going to come out of the wood work.. Lets say I remove the video (which I'm not), they will drag this thread up.. and let me tell you out of all the posts which will do the most damage or help the case.. boatme's and others like it. So while I can re-edit the video (if one of you guys complaining about it want to send the $$$ to pay the guys to re-edit it, because I'm certainly not gonna pay for it), are you going to chase every post on every message board on the internet that mentions the word "race" with regard to a Poker Run? Because that's how absurd it is for you to ask me to do this. It is unfortunate that the TV personality I hired screwed up and used the word "race" and I wish I could go back and change that.. But the event is over, and I can't go reshoot the interview. Ian Howard did a great job, and in his field he spend 99% of his time covering race footage so it was a "slip" of the tounge so to speak. As for "re-edit" I'm game.. Someone send me a cashiers check for 1500.00 I'll have it pulled down, re-edited, re-uploaded and start over.." I'm going to have to refund CP Performances $$ right off the bat because now I will have no way to track web traffic, show exposure etc on this particular video.. So if you're that concerned about it again, YOU pay for it, and it'll make sure to get it done. RD |
Rich boys with their nice toys own these boats for a reason and that is to run them, so if something happened in group 3 at 80mph then everyone is still screwed, I know I enjoy seeing who was fastest every year, just like everyone else! All I have is one question for you all: Who would watch Nascar if they didnt count who won? And who would watch sports if they didnt keep score?... Yes I know racing is different, but still, why spend a half mil to a mil on a boat to run it around at the speed of a 60k boat? The fact is everyone that goes out there knows the risk, crap, driving to the grocery store is a risk just not nearly as high! But the bottom line is like RD says: nothings gonna stop the BLOOD SUCKING ATTORNEYS from going after someone in the case of any accident PERIOD!!!!
Just my short .02, and I could go on and on |
Originally Posted by TCBoss302
(Post 3689017)
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I tend to think the guys going 200 MPH outside of a closed course are the jerkoffs, not the guy in the pontoon with his kids that didn't happen to know a poker run was going on that day. Why do we assume that others should just get out of our way? Unless the pontoon came out of the marina that was holding the PR, how the hell would they have a clue a bullet is headed toward them at 200 MPH? |
Originally Posted by low_psi
(Post 3688886)
Stop turning this thread into a *****fest about poker runs not being races. Go start your own thread and complain there. Desert Storm draws the large crowds because of the ridiculously fast boats that participate. If you don't like what DS is or about, don't participate, don't watch, etc! Why is it every thread on this forum has to take a 90 degree turn in another direction because a few just want to complain? This thread was started to stir up some good ole fun about who was first and some of you want to turn it into a safety lesson... Post your complaints on how a poker run isnt a race in the "safety" section of the board!
As far as requesting Dave edit his video to remove terms like "race" to make is just STUPID! I am so tired of people expecting everyone around them to cater to them. If you don't like the video and the references made don't watch it! Agreed! |
Who won the shoot out???
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Originally Posted by HEDGEHOGER
(Post 3689510)
Who won the shoot out???
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Originally Posted by RiverDave
(Post 3689209)
Ok guys let me address few concerns as well as correct a SERIOUS misconception.
To correct the most common misconception first. 1. The phrase "The Promoters" is used over and over in this thread.. To be very clear I am not part of Desert Storm. I am NOT a promoter. We are a group of guys that got together and went out and filmed an event to the best of our abilities. We on our own went out and solicited some sponsorship to help offset the enormous cost of equipment, helicopters, paid TV personalities etc.. Jim Nichols and the PROMOTERS are doing their very best and are VERY CLEAR that it is NOT a race and they quite frankly do not give 2 shiats about the 1st card stop or who was there. Please see video at 9:25 mark.. In the drivers meeting people are told to NOT drive aggressively and if they want to be that guy then to save it for the shootout.. Now for a second and more important part.. Please read this exceprt from the article I wrote titled "DCB taking down Desert Storm part 1 / 2" The Desert Storm staff is doing everything they can to push away the competition for card stop one and push it into the shootout plain and simple. To reiterate a portion of that article though, in future years you probably will see a lot more video of the shootout, and a lot less of card stop 1, as well as articles.. But THIS YEAR (again past tense) the "vibe" was still all about card stop 1. The idea that "if" something happened "then..." is certainly an arguable point, and I can completely respect boatme's opinions with regard to that.. But the fact is we covered it past tense, and nothing happened, and the promoters are making the changes, so the idea that this could potentially hurt something in the future is ludicrous.. Point in fact if ANYTHING this helps draw attention too the fact that Desert Storm is being a leader in the Poker Run circuit by encouraging participation in the shootout, and even taking steps to defuse the competition relating to card stop one. If someone somewhere else, possibly mars, has an event and "something" happens and potentially the sky falls in, and I get subpoenaed to a court case to testify that Poker runs are in fact thinly veiled races.. My testimony is going to say very clearly "During the event that the video in question is being discussed yes there was a friendly competition of who would be first.. That being said it happened in the PAST, and the promoters were proactive, BEFORE incident to change the dynamic of the event so that it would minimize that competition and put it into a more politically correct and structured/controlled setting. I know other promoters event coordinators have been doing the same. While it was a fun and enjoyable thing to watch back then, unfortunately due to today's litigious society it is fairly well known that Poker run's are not races." So let me set you guys straight on a couple of things that are living in the "if this then that" land.. "If" xyz happened at an event "then" this video isn't gonna amount to a hill of beans.. Removing it / Changing it / whatever'ing it isn't going to change the fact that the blood sucking lawyers are going to come out of the wood work.. Lets say I remove the video (which I'm not), they will drag this thread up.. and let me tell you out of all the posts which will do the most damage or help the case.. boatme's and others like it. So while I can re-edit the video (if one of you guys complaining about it want to send the $$$ to pay the guys to re-edit it, because I'm certainly not gonna pay for it), are you going to chase every post on every message board on the internet that mentions the word "race" with regard to a Poker Run? Because that's how absurd it is for you to ask me to do this. It is unfortunate that the TV personality I hired screwed up and used the word "race" and I wish I could go back and change that.. But the event is over, and I can't go reshoot the interview. Ian Howard did a great job, and in his field he spend 99% of his time covering race footage so it was a "slip" of the tounge so to speak. As for "re-edit" I'm game.. Someone send me a cashiers check for 1500.00 I'll have it pulled down, re-edited, re-uploaded and start over.." I'm going to have to refund CP Performances $$ right off the bat because now I will have no way to track web traffic, show exposure etc on this particular video.. So if you're that concerned about it again, YOU pay for it, and it'll make sure to get it done. RD As I have said I enjoy your videos and will continue to enjoy when they are posted Marc |
Originally Posted by HEDGEHOGER
(Post 3689510)
Who won the shoot out???
I like her better without the helmet... :whistle: http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7048/7...170353e8_c.jpg |
Originally Posted by PhantomChaos
(Post 3689512)
Somehow, an organized and controlled speed contest doesn't seem to be a popular, but they did have WIND at the event.
RD |
Originally Posted by HEDGEHOGER
(Post 3689510)
Who won the shoot out???
RD |
Originally Posted by RiverDave
(Post 3689590)
Absolutely not.. As the videos unfold to tell the story of desert storm, the shoot out will be featured as well.. Problem is there are only so many hours in a day to make them ands they are very time consuming.. I have two or three more to release and then I'll be waiting a week again or so for the next batch.. :)
RD |
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Originally Posted by PhantomChaos
(Post 3689674)
Huh? There hundreds in the poker run and <40 in the shoot out?
RD |
Originally Posted by RiverDave
(Post 3689687)
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It would seem a lot of boats Broke trying to be 1st to the card stop. |
Originally Posted by X-Rated30
(Post 3689691)
Now THAT'S funny!:lolhit:
RD |
Originally Posted by RiverDave
(Post 3689687)
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Well Nort... LOL It would seem a lot of boats Broke trying to be 1st to the card stop.. :D RD |
Back in the day, the best hand of cards won a poker run. Did anyone get all their cards at Desert Storm or did everyone take their egos straight to the bar after the first card stop?
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Originally Posted by Sbarberdds
(Post 3688315)
No contraversy here, predator
Originally Posted by Plowtownmissile
(Post 3688632)
Exactly. Gary aka Skater40 aka Predator was the first to the card stop and received his cards first again this year.
Anyone who claims different is a liar. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpawM...1&feature=plcp Motor problems or not, you gotta finish.. No question sans the motor problem Predator would've been #1.. and had it lasted another 10 seconds it would be a different story. Ultimately though this year DCB. For anyone to claim otherwise after watching the video above they are delusional. RD |
This probably won't be a popular sentiment but—
It really, really doesn't matter. The event was great. The event was a winner. |
Originally Posted by RiverDave
(Post 3689709)
Actually.. DCB (no offense)
Well then call me a liar.. LOL Start the video at 10:45-10:50.. At 11:00 minutes the picture becomes real clear that Tony was waaaayyyyy out in front before they got to the card stop area. If you look close after Predator broke and comes off plane you can see CRC on the right hand side of the vid, and see them go around CS1, come off plane and then idle away. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpawM...1&feature=plcp Motor problems or not, you gotta finish.. No question sans the motor problem Predator would've been #1.. and had it lasted another 10 seconds it would be a different story. Ultimately though this year DCB. For anyone to claim otherwise after watching the video above they are delusional. RD One more question.... Is the guy who owns Predator a paperboy?? LOL :D:D Looks like your run is a good time, would love to attend one of these years! :) |
Originally Posted by OldSchool
(Post 3689719)
Looks like your run is a good time, would love to attend one of these years! :)
RD |
Originally Posted by TEAMBAJA
(Post 3689701)
Back in the day, the best hand of cards won a poker run. Did anyone get all their cards at Desert Storm or did everyone take their egos straight to the bar after the first card stop?
:confused: Rules haven't changed in poker as far as I know. Best hand still wins- at the table or at the poker run. The event was a freaking blast from start to finish. There were a thousand boats on the lake all day Friday and I suspect a lot of them were participants enjoying the day after the run was over. |
Originally Posted by RiverDave
(Post 3689687)
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Well Nort... LOL It would seem a lot of boats Broke trying to be 1st to the card stop.. :D RD |
Originally Posted by jayboat
(Post 3689770)
Lame. :rolleyes:
Rules haven't changed in poker as far as I know. Best hand still wins- at the table or at the poker run. The event was a freaking blast from start to finish. There were a thousand boats on the lake all day Friday and I suspect a lot of them were participants enjoying the day after the run was over. |
Originally Posted by Keytime
(Post 3688631)
Or the Bimini Run. :drink:
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Originally Posted by RiverDave
(Post 3689765)
Not my Run, I just attend like everyone else. I am not involved with DS. Other then maybe throwing some more $$ at filming it, we are no different then the guys on the side of the lake with a go pro, of a handicam.
RD What about the answer to my first two questions of that post?? Cheers, Craig :ernaehrung004: |
Originally Posted by jayboat
(Post 3689770)
Rules haven't changed in poker as far as I know.
Best hand still wins- at the table or at the poker run. The event was a freaking blast from start to finish. There were a thousand boats on the lake all day Friday and I suspect a lot of them were participants enjoying the day after the run was over. Maybe you could keep posting pics like in post #33 and people might forget about the 1st card stop controversy. |
Seems pretty clear to me
DCB was the first boat to blow by the card stop CRC was the first boat to stop at the card stop Predator was the first boat to get a card at the card stop Each one won the poker run in their own way What contoversy? :lolhit: |
Originally Posted by OldSchool
(Post 3689799)
Fair enough. I've been told that you are an azzhole, is this true? :D
What about the answer to my first two questions of that post?? Cheers, Craig :ernaehrung004: RD |
this is the dumbest thing i have ever watched and read! im now dumber for have taking the time to mess with it.
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There is only one way to end this thread... The f@cking Catalina Wine Mixer...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YN_YObM_pbo |
Originally Posted by x-rated30
(Post 3689854)
there is only one way to end this thread... The f@cking catalina wine mixer...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yn_yobm_pbo |
Originally Posted by X-Rated30
(Post 3689854)
There is only one way to end this thread... The f@cking Catalina Wine Mixer...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YN_YObM_pbo |
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