Fed up with WI DNR Boat reg
 

Can a person register a boat in AZ and run it in WI? I have a uncle that lives there.

fixx
 

i know in some states if your recreation vehicle is in their state for more that 2 weeks then you need to register it in that state...i keep my snowmobiles up in northern wi and i had to register it in wi.. they have these machines now that you feed money and it spits out a registration sticker..at leaste for the sleds.

Can't Tell - but if it is big enough I'd just document it and be done with it.........

A documented vessel in WI still needs the WI DNR state stickers on each side of the name on the transom.

No numbers are needed though. And not sure if you AZ the registration.

What is the beef with WI DNR registration? Never seemed to be a hassle for me.

these MF's here in the center of the state have Napoleon syndrome something horrible! I sat next to 2 of them in a bar one night and all they talked about is ways to doctor charges and charge stack. If I can operate here and have registered some where else, that is what I am going to do. I do not want to give them any more money than i already have.I gave up snowmobiling because of them as well as hunting and fishing.

can I documents and then have the from a neighboring state like MN ? I have heard AZ is the easiest. If I can print out online and have it back on the water by this aft that would be even better. The boat I'd 25,10 LOA. It has couches a bed a grille in the cuddy.

The short dick MF,s don't have the money to go out on the water in their patrol boat these days. So they are hasseling everyone at the landings.

I remember a Timeshop law enforcement es these to protect and serve. Not about "GENERATING REVENUE' the head of DNR went to jail a few yeas back for misappropriation of funds. Sound like his subordinate learned well and is doing the same thing. Just Niger idiot cronies and fill their egos full and turn em loose on the public.

Sounds like you like them as much as I like the faaggot azzed coast guard baztards around here. I just heard that in Mi the fish police, sheriffs and Coast guard can no longer pull you over unless you are breaking the law or a obvious danger IF you have a inspection sticker. I think I have had to submit to 15- 20 breathalyzers and 100 boardings in past 20 years and have NEVER actually been illegal or been ticketed. They are famous around here for pulling over every boat leaving hooters and searching your boat / testing for Alcohol simply because you were at the bar under the excuse of it being a safety inspection , them bastards infuriate me and if you actually need there help they rarely do, they can all rot in hell , Smitty

fixx
 

ok now you got me started!!! ya think they would go after all the dead beats in wi that are on welfare? from what i understand wi is # 1 on the list for people collecting from the state...i go to mercer and 75% of the people in the bars brag about how they collect money fron the state.

I am not all aobut welfare. I amfed up with so many facets of this economy and i am at my breaking point. I had 2 deadbeats one suposid disabled MP and his disabled GF come and lay doww in my driveway to get there secureity deposite back. and because othe one Bas*ard was somethig to do with law enforcement. they cops here let them get waway with the intentional tourte. ended up cositng me 19k. yeah i am all warm and fuzzy about this. Even though i had a letter and a restraining order for them not to return to my property i got to eat it. :eekdrop:

I have pictures and doccumentation . I used to work hard at everything. I always got up before 5 in the morn and made alot ro right decisions in my life. for what. N The reason the deadbeats stated they did not want to move in together was then they woudl not qualify for heating assistance. so combined income and all. gotta love the welfare state. and the Pigs promoting it.

So whats up with coast guard Doccumentaion. fees adn rules that apply to that?

If the boat is documented or prev registered to you in a different state it will cost you a whole $35.00 for 2 years.. Hope you can afford that.

WI has heavy tax burdens because they are making things nice for the tourists and residents,ie: paved roads, clean water, trails etc... Costs money. If it is so bad, why not stay in what ever state you are from and sled/boat etc. there?

I know it sounds sarcastic, it is only meant a little that way...:whistle:

Welfare was high 10 years ago, but when Thompson was Governor, that was substantially decreased. Then we had democrat for a while and look what happened. Now the new Governor is in and the People are attacking him, labor unions, government employees, teachers etc.... See a theme here? There is still WAY more welfare just south of WI than we will ever find in WI.

Registrations go to DNR and even though I dont necessarily agee with all they do, the money does go directly to each area such as sled trails, ramps etc...

Illinois is just as bad....everyone is trying to get as much revenue from the working class as possible...gotta justify there budgets and existence,plus no one stands up to any of them, most just take it and move on...

The Illinois DNR sucks too. Played cat and mouse with them today. Just out to make money.I am totally legal, but don't want to go near them as they will find something to ticket you for. I wish they would cut off there funds as they are worthelss. Only out to write tickers.

Yes, and if you buy private party to private party there is no tax. You will need to use uncle's address and probably put it in his name. If AZ knows that it is your boat and you live out of state you can do a non resident AZ registration with your local (out of state address) but the cost is about $250 per year rather than $15 or $20 a year. Sometimes they want to see the boat to verify the numbers. Best to call Phoenix dept of Game and Fish on the phone and tell them what you want to do and they will either send you the paperwork or tell you what is required.
But don't deal with Fish and Game in Kingman AZ, the woman who works there is a B-tch!! and tough to work with.

I don't think you will be able to document your boat, not big/heavy enough. I currently have a 27' Hallett with twins in it and they wouldn't let me document it. When I had my 35' Fountain it was no problem. There is an on line form and a formula to calculate but I am pretty sure you won't qualify.

when i did boardings vessel could "visit" another state for upto 30 days, if vessel stayed there over that 30 days it required change in registration. you can't just change state numbers. it becomes tax evasion. documenting a vessel changes status of vessel, requires different insurance and safety equipment along with testing and inspections. if i remember the operator should hold coast guard license. it's been awhile, got away from boating safety before head got too big. if coast guard stops you they must do cg4100 form and provide copy, keep original on boat, presenting copy they should move on unless stop is for violation. in which case they must do cg4100 again. dnr thats different horse, just got back from merc school, guys from ohio told of city, county and state issuing boating safety stickers ontop of registration. the stickers were $35 each. makes me mad, my job was to teach and help not rack up money for congress to blow on the useless.

Delaware!

You can open a corporation in Delaware just for your boat. Lots of people use this to avoid sales tax.

Look up Russ (thp500s) here on OSO. There are a couple legit companies out there that can help you set it up. I am sure there are some scammers out there too.

Coast Guard has been good to me here in Michigan. I usually get boarded once a year. I've never been ticketed or harassed. Don't get cocky or belligerent with them because they are Homeland Security and can do anything they want. All of my encounters have resulted in me getting a certificate that says "thank you for promoting safe boating." Even when I asked the lady officer last year to not spill my open beer can that was sitting on the floor. Best to let them see it then to let them see you try to hide it!

Our local water deputies all got laid off so it is a free for all on the inland lakes in Oakland County. They will only respond to accidents and emergencies. :)

I understand your frustrations, but I'll guess you will be harassed even more and with penalties if you try to beat the system with AZ or ? registration.

[QUOTE=Downtown42;3691057]A documented vessel in WI still needs the WI DNR state stickers on each side of the name on the transom.

Not sure about this Dave, my friend boats with me all of the time and has his Coast Guard #'s on the stern of his Fountain. No WI DNR stickers. When we pass the DNR or sheriff up here and they see no stickers on the side, they then wait until he passes them and then look at his stern. When they see he has numbers there they go on their way. He has never been stopped.

That is all good :) but....

pg 5 or 7 explains the WI legal law as I stated in the DNR Documented boat section

http://dnr.wi.gov/files/PDF/pubs/LE/LE0301.pdf


:daz:

lmao!!

I read that Lake Orion and some other Oakland county lakes are paying for their water deputies this year. I cant remember but I think it was paid for by the township taxes. The deputy on Lake Orion never really harasses anyone but the one time that I called them about a fight at the boat launch they never showed up. Things got pretty ugly, I think they were afraid to handle the situation.

They had always been really good to me except recently when a new lakefront resident who apparently had some pull started calling them anytime a Donzi was running hard on the lake. I had never gotten a water ticket in about 20 years of boating on Lake Oakland. They would try to radar me but it's hard to do from shore :). Then Deputy Dipsh!t got his panties in a bunch and came out in his boat and harassed me while we were anchored and relaxing. They had gotten a noise complaint. He ordered me to pull anchor and plane out. Of course I could have flipped the lanyard switch and told him we were dead in the water and could we please get a tow :), but I didn't. Instead I flipped on the Q&Q :). My guest is a poor swimmer and I let him use my lifeline so I pulled anchor and we started to vest up. He actually told us not to put on our vests because we weren't going far! I sternly told him that we always wear our life vests when on plane and we donned them. Then I planed out and went to the public dock. They (he & his partner) were too stupid to realize that the exhaust was not coming out the tips. He still said that it was way too loud and that we were lucky he didn't have his decibel meter, lol.
Then he scolded us for having a lifeline jacket. I explained that it was an expensive racing vest. When he wouldn't give it up I informed him that there was no law that we even had to wear vests. Then he pulled his ticket pad out. Then I said "oh, you want to see Coast Guard approved ones" and pulled out the neoprenes. That pissed him off and he wrote me up for illegal numbers on the boat. His partner was just quietly shaking his head is disbelief the whole time! That was my only bad experience ever with water cops and my only water ticket ever. I'm glad they are laid off. Some communities are paying for week-end patrols or creating their own marine divisions but Lake Oakland is still a free for all on the week-ends and I don't have to worry about them hiding in the bushes at the launch site with the radar gun during the week :). The big lakes is where the fun is anyway but I live almost on Lake Oakland and we used to have a lot of Donzis. Now there are about 4 full time Donzis on the lake.

thanks Dave,
I'll pass that on to him!

You can always fight the state and tax man, but I have always thought keeping my property in my name in the correct state in the long run will be less of a hassle. Specially when you start talking re sale, getting pulled over in etc. I beleive boats are like cars in most states you dont need it to be registered in the state you are using it in. But if you have a valid DL in that state I would assume they might want that boat registered in that state.

What about FL registration. WI DNR are a bunch of Natzi Wannabee's, so damn power hungry and needing to prove themselves. I am thinking my uncle In FL is more open to this idea as he used to work at the Cape and now owns a bar and gets hassled all the time.

If your boat is insured you will pay more to have it insured for Fla!

Problem I have is personally I wouldnt want somebody elses property in my name. All that means is im now legally tax liable as well as liable for that happens in that boat or what that boat hits or touches.

Ran into the same things when registering my boat. Guy had boat title but he didn't register the trailer and didn't have a title. Plus there is no VIN on trailer. No biggie I thought, title it in IL as a homemade trailer, they never checked before.

IL changed thier homemade trailer laws and now it has to be inspected by state police. Knowing it wouldn't pass, decided to do trailer in IN under g/fs name. much easier and then eventually transfer plates to my name in IL.

I was going to still register the boat in my name in IL since it was cheaper. Well the Conservation officer that did trailer inspection asked me about it and basically said I needed to register the boat in IN too since that is where I am going to be using it 95% of the time. Not sure if it was law or not, but figured it would save me the hassle out on the water if I did it that way. Costing me about 200 more over 3 yrs then registering in IL. Eventually I am moving to IN anyways.

You can register trailers in Maine for cheap and still keep your title, but that means you need the title first or a transferable registration. I live in NY and trailer is titled in NY but registered in Maine, cost 90 bucks for 5 years, no inspection no re-uping. Big thing is just getting something in your name.

It really amazed me how people own property and never put it in there name at least. I would think insurance is if something were to happen might hassle you if its not legally owned on paper by you.

Personal story just bought a 5th wheel, title is clean and all on it ask the guy whos name is this? Old Owner, its an open title, theres no such thing as an open title where you can just pass it along person to person. So I said OK the title was clean and signed he had a release for the trailer on the lien that obviously wasnt on the title because he didnt techincally own it. Go to the bank and I knew they wouldnt take it, and they didnt. Call the guy back two options you title it or the check goes to old owner, needless to say I got confirmation that he titled it that day.

Iowa has some of the cheapest registration and its right next door.
I would think there would be fewer tax/registraion flags and LEO hassles with border state registration vs long distance.

How easy it is to maintain registration in another state can depend on many specifics of WI law and your ability to avoid certain pitfalls. If you store the boat indoors and/or on private property (not a storage facility) you can probably pull it off fairly easy.

The thing is, you must read and understand how the registration and tax laws of both WI and your registered state apply to your specific situation of both summer and winter storage location as well as plausable usage habits.

One of the big benifts to documenation used to be a boat did not have to have state letter identifiers thus no registration. Without registration, there was no easy trail for taxation. Many states have closed that loop hole by saying a documented boat must still be registered, just not issued letter identifiers.

By law the guy should have registered as you have to run trailer plates in IN. Now maybe he didn't get the title either, IDK. But he didn't know a whole lot about anything.

But IN is not hard to get a title either even if there in no VIN. Basically get a couple of inspections, apply for VIN, then when they give you a VIN, go register and title. Pretty easy other then a couple of trips to DMV.

Either way I hate how people dont do the right things from the start, it puts so much pain at transaction time or the buyer after he finds out. I bought a boat in IL, and oh no you dont need a title for the trailer, but oh yes you do. They just decided they didnt need one. I got burned once. My stance is you correct the title or im out as a buyer, I am no longer doing the run around.

I am glad they are laid off also. I was at the sand bar on Lake Orion last saturday and some Guido was blaring his rap music so loud we couldnt even hear each other talk . Then his moron buddy drove within 40 feet of all the anchored boats on full plane. At that point I was ready to choke out all them bastards. Decided the best thing to do was pull anchor and go to a quieter part of the lake. Had me wondering if them guys would act the same way if the cops were out there