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Originally Posted by PatriYacht
(Post 3788681)
There has to be a reason why your bearings went bad so soon. If you don't fix the problem, it will just happen again. Lets say the motor was rebuilt but assembled with improper tolerences or it was not properly cleaned before assembly. A scored crank will require a complete dissasembly. Checking clearences properly requires pulling the crank and rods to check main and rod bore sizes. It may not require a complete rebuild but i would disassemble and check everything and at the least hone and put a new set of rings in it.
Oil pumps almost never go bad unless a piece of metal goes through it. Some times the pickup falls off but then the oil pressure goes to nothing. 220 degrees is normal operating temp. Pressure should not fall off at this temp. When I was having oil temp problems, my pressure was 65lbs at 280 degress at 4000 rpm. |
Originally Posted by Plus Man
(Post 3788614)
Replaced Oil Filter tried new oil high Zinq 20-50 . Only thing I have not replaced is the pressure relif valve on the block. Boat is running 11.5 AF on the guage at wide open !! so im not lean .
THX for the comments |
I would also check the filter. If you are getting 220*F after the cooler I would be a little concerned. I'm ~175*F after a hard run and 200*F before the cooler.
Experts...... If the timing is retarded to much doesn't that escalate oil temps? (I forget) |
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Sorry forgot to add. It does have the bigger cooler mounted to the back of the block. I also have a oil thermostat. I am going to cut the filter tonight and see what I have in there. Is there any way to chech the pressure relief valves in the filter flange head?
THX Everbody |
If you want to check your oil for metal, fuel, or water get a wix oil analysis kit. The part number is wix 24077. You can get them for under $20 which includes the container to ship the oil in and the analysis. I have done this on several engines and it has saved me more than once. Depending on what is in the oil they speculate what potential problems could occur. They give you a printout of about 15 different things they check for with acceptable limits and what yours is. As far as 3 minutes WOT, that is just getting going. I ran a stock 1996 454 mag 365 HP WOT throttle, except for backing off in the air, for about 25 minutes. That is when the oil overtemp light on the gauge came on at about 260 degrees.
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Oil temps are not bad, dont foget the extra boost forces rods down harder and if you dont have the pressure to keep the clearances you are gonna start to hurt bearings.... you can easily do your own analysis, if you have the issue you will know it, you can always find very fine crap in any filter, but if you are to the point of hurting bearings its easily seen...
I run coated bearings and shimmed HV pumps, I have 40 at idle and 75-80 WOT at 180 oil temps.. K&N oil filters, guys will say its the oil filter but unless you have junk filters from dollar general its not the filter... if it comes apart do the whole freshening, wont be that much, you can ball hone it and re-ring for cheap, spend the money on coated bearings and shim oil pump, make sure everything is balanced PERFECT as it saves engines... its worth it to go over it well.... |
I changed a crank in an engine last yr due to being afraid the crank was undersized for the app. No problem doing just the bottom end if you are very careful with what you are doing. You will need to pull the crank to measure each journal. Then figure out how to torque each rod cap with nothing keeping it from spinning with new bearings in it to check clearances. If you can do this you can do what you want. It is very hard to get a crank in and out with rod bolts sticking out I will tell you that. It is very hard to torque rods with the piston/rod assem still in the block. It can be done, but it is tricky. It is certainly best to tear it down to the block and not be a lazy/cheap azz.
FWIW, I also agree 3 mins at WOT in a blown HP marine engine is getting on the side of very frequent total rebuilds needed, if not, and more probable worse. |
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Originally Posted by Plus Man
(Post 3789233)
Sorry forgot to add. It does have the bigger cooler mounted to the back of the block. I also have a oil thermostat. I am going to cut the filter tonight and see what I have in there. Is there any way to chech the pressure relief valves in the filter flange head?
THX Everbody THX |
Originally Posted by blue thunder
(Post 3789645)
FWIW, I also agree 3 mins at WOT in a blown HP marine engine is getting on the side of very frequent total rebuilds needed, if not, and more probable worse. Just all about keeping an eye on things!! my buddy was on his 4th season until last weekend he hurt a piston, we think he got a bad dose of fuel as another friend did same thing shortly after getting gas at same place.. hes making roughly 800 hp and runs the chit out of it... |
Originally Posted by ThisIsLivin
(Post 3788597)
I've seen the same problem in one of my hot rods, it ended up being the oil I was using. Changed to different brand problem went away. Try a high Zinc synthetic like Amsoil Dominator and see if you still have the same problem.
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