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Originally Posted by MIskier (Post 3883022)

From your post you said you would rather they be overpaid than have it go back to a forign country, which I do agree with; but the line worker in any car factory in the country keeps their money here so that point is moot.

The auto industry was a passion of mine too growing up as I did outside of Lansing and I dreamed of working at one of the proving grounds as a development engineer, but was warned by every engineer I knew working for one of the big 3 to stay away....so I decided to get a Naval Architecute degree and build boats instead. :lolhit:

The whole American car industry really needs to wake up if they want to be competative, yes I know from an economic sense they are somewhat tied, but from a product development perspective they are not, the only one that seemed to get that was Ford. I think GM is catching up but has a way to go with most of their divisions, and God help Chrysler with their jumbled product portfolio.

I truly believe that America could still have the ability to be the best country in the world at mfg/engineering/product development, but that wont happen until we stop allowing tons of forign students into our engineering programs only to have them learn how to be the worlds best engineers and go back to their home country and produce products that compete with ours but are given huge advanages from their governments.

What boat job did you find? That's another interest of mine (obviously haha) that I wouldn't mind ruining by working in.:party-smiley-004:

Just out of curiosity, what products are "there already" for Ford but not GM? What shows lack of engineering, the Volt, C7, Zl1, ATS? I think your "data" on engr is a bit behind the times. What foreign make has some great engr tech that is missing in Detroit? If you dig in, I'll think you'll find you are mistaken.

The problem is no Americans want to be engineers anymore, so all the schools are filled with international students!

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Originally Posted by rlj676 (Post 3882840)

Just out of curiosity, how on earth does someone that can read and write (I assume you can, given you wrote this) get that idea from me saying "I THINK THEY ARE OVERPAID?":lolhit:

If it matters, I'm a "degreed" engineer, with an MBA, working at GM. I'm sure a few UAW guys w/ overtime match my salary, which is crap. However, that money gets back into the US economy. The auto industry is a passion of mine, and my job. Therefore when you peel back the onion more like I have, you find a lot of the history of what has happened. Gets under your skin to see people with no clue go off like experts all the time.

ok if your a engineer for gm DO ME A BIG FAVOR...MAKE THE FRONT ENF ON THE GM TRUCKS A TILT NOSE SO WE CAN SACCESS THE ENGINE WITH OUT REMOVING HALYF THE ENGINE TO CHANGE A PART..LET ALON KILL OUR BACKS TO WORK ON THEM..

OK SARCASM OFF....

I have an '02 Duramax with 265 k miles. Bought it new, put in a Hypertech programer day one. At 50k miles started losing injectors and glow plugs. The dealer put in a new fuel pump, all new injectors and glow plugs at the same time. I haven't had any problems since. I've towed way more than any truck (this size) should ever have to, still on the factory brakes. The only problem I have ever had was the fuel tank sending unit went out last year.

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Originally Posted by rlj676 (Post 3883046)

I dont think that there is any thing wrong with the engineering of GM's vehicles the problem has been from the percieved quality that the average consumer sees when they get in the car. The dash materials, seats etc. the stuff that sells a car to the average Joe is what GM has been behind in. Although after seeing the new C7 I would say that GM has caught up.

My degree is in Naval Architecture so I specialized in it from the start, I worked as an intern for MasterCraft, Skater, and Bollinger Shipyards. This summer I will be going to work full time for Michael Peters Yacht Design.

When I see a Toyota truck that pulls as often as my F250 with 380,000 miles and still be reliable, drive, and look as good as mine we will talk... I just cannot see a 1/2 Toyota doing what my truck does and last that long, the other things in my truck are very beefy parts that last... springs, rear end, tie rods all that kind of stuff... I see MANY Super Duty Fords with 200++ thousand miles all the time.... don;t think I ever saw a Toyota truck with them miles or more..I am sure there may be a few... but I never seen one

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Originally Posted by MIskier (Post 3883079)

Ford hands down has the nicest interiors ..... of course thats my opinion... my truck even being 2002 still has not one rattle or broken interior part with 380,000 miles

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Originally Posted by Full Force (Post 3883082)

Ford hands down has the nicest interiors ..... of course thats my opinion... my truck even being 2002 still has not one rattle or broken interior part with 380,000 miles

How can you compare a diesel super duty to a gas half ton?

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Originally Posted by mitchie (Post 3883112)

How can you compare a diesel super duty to a gas half ton?

When you tow a 12,500 lb boat with either it's fair game to compare.....

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Originally Posted by mrfixxall (Post 3883059)

Trust me, I HATE the serviceability on all new cars. But doesn't Ford make you just take the cab off haha?

I work in product development, but not actually engineering. I curse our engineers every time I have to work on something haha! It's not easy to cram as much stuff in these days.

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Originally Posted by MIskier (Post 3883079)

I think perceived quality of the nearly all the post 08 launch cars is actually very good of anyone that gets in. Interiors from GM have been a huge improvement, and most of the media would acknowledge this. However, perceived reliability is still less positive. The GM of the 90's where crap fails all the time still lingers. In reality all cars these days are good. The worst brand today in 3 year reliability (JD Power), Land Rover, is better than the average was in 2002. The average today is better than the best then. In other words, statistically all cars are basically good enough that reliability will be more than adequate for most. The toyota's of the world keep going on perception alone.

That sounds awesome for your work. Congrats. Working in the industry you love makes work that much better. I'd love to work at any of the high performance boat companies, but doubt many will pay what I'd take to do what I do haha.