42' vs toyota
03-13-2013 | 10:27 PM
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So I got a little confused, and here is why http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadillac_Catera
The generations before the cts WAS just a rebadged Opel, my mistake. But my assumption is not unwarranted!!!
Still you believe I am a detractor of the big, but in fact I am a defender of my rights to purchase what I see value in.
I could no longer afford to drive a truck from the big 3, that's a fact. The down time and repair cost were eating me alive. I'd love to support you guys, and keep food on your table but I just can't anymore. I have it my best shot. You could leave the uaw and move to Texas, work in the no unionized tundra plant...then we wouldn't have these arguments.
The generations before the cts WAS just a rebadged Opel, my mistake. But my assumption is not unwarranted!!!
Still you believe I am a detractor of the big, but in fact I am a defender of my rights to purchase what I see value in.
I could no longer afford to drive a truck from the big 3, that's a fact. The down time and repair cost were eating me alive. I'd love to support you guys, and keep food on your table but I just can't anymore. I have it my best shot. You could leave the uaw and move to Texas, work in the no unionized tundra plant...then we wouldn't have these arguments.
As I mentioned earlier ( also suggested you read all of the posts but apperently you dont have the attention span to do so) I dont work for the UAW or the auto industry. I am a union carpenter by trade. I have articulated my expereinces with non union carpenters entering my chosen trade at lenght, read all of the posts then comment if you feel the need. I will say again non union tradesman typically fall by the wayside in a week or two. They cannot physically keep up and attendance is a major issue. They cannot commit to do what ever it takes to get it done AND or perform and a quality level that is acceptable.
03-13-2013 | 10:42 PM
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Yes my push rod cast iron v8 was invented in the 60's.
The lsx engine is a great one! Please tell me what parts it shares with the sbc and bbc of the 60's-90's?
That was a counter to you calling my boat a Chevy cause it has a gm based block. My boat did nothin for the uaw, of Chevrolet.
Why did merc tool new engines for the 1100 and 1350 if the bbc tech is forever lasting?
The lsx engine is a great one! Please tell me what parts it shares with the sbc and bbc of the 60's-90's?
That was a counter to you calling my boat a Chevy cause it has a gm based block. My boat did nothin for the uaw, of Chevrolet.
Why did merc tool new engines for the 1100 and 1350 if the bbc tech is forever lasting?
03-13-2013 | 10:58 PM
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If you knew what GM's execs signed off on to build and sell GM products in China you would hunt them down and burn their headstones. GM wasnt alone in this, just look at the leading brands over the last 15 years. VW, Audi, GM, and even Honda. The Chineese still remember the " rape of naking".....Keep in mind this all happened in the " stock holders" best interest. Americans seemed to have developed ADD when invseting in stock. THIS is the real problem with US companies. Stock holders are so short sighted that they are only concerned with tomorrows stock price. What the F happened to investors committed to the long range proffit potential of companies? I see this with insider knowledge of Boeing, Microsoft and Amazon. If I had a spare million I would be a billionare. One of these companies invests in their infrastucture and their stocks takes a massive dive. I dont understand this but it keeps me working,
03-13-2013 | 11:15 PM
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I have a hardened prospective of US investors developed over my 20 years in the construction industry and odd sense of patrionage.
MicroSoft and Amazon are charging hard with empoyees from India. When the stockmarket sneezes their projects ( hundreds of millions of dollars) come to an abrupt stop. Doesnt matter if this costs the coorporation more money temporarily housing needed employees, it's all about stock prices. My carpenter based mentality doesnt understand this one bit. They are expanding to coorpirate owned buidings / server farms yet they have to pay the price via stock prices for invastmate in their own company. When did this become a detractor? Only thing I come away with is short sighted investors. Nothing more or less. When did investing in your profit potential become a liabilyt???
MicroSoft and Amazon are charging hard with empoyees from India. When the stockmarket sneezes their projects ( hundreds of millions of dollars) come to an abrupt stop. Doesnt matter if this costs the coorporation more money temporarily housing needed employees, it's all about stock prices. My carpenter based mentality doesnt understand this one bit. They are expanding to coorpirate owned buidings / server farms yet they have to pay the price via stock prices for invastmate in their own company. When did this become a detractor? Only thing I come away with is short sighted investors. Nothing more or less. When did investing in your profit potential become a liabilyt???
03-14-2013 | 06:24 AM
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Read every post here, there is no justification for buying foreign, bottom line...u live in America buy American I've owned nothing but Chevys all my life and would never buy anything else my dad bought a Toyota and I didn't talk to him for almost a year cause the argument over it and now a short time later he regrets it and not cause the argument
03-14-2013 | 10:43 AM
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You union guys...
Every media outlet has made a satire out of a "union guy" sterotype. And you're on here saying - nope, no way, not how it is at all - everyone else is delusional, Im the only guy who knows the truth...
03-14-2013 | 10:46 AM
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I am astonished by this statment. The generally accepted opinion of the public is almost the exact opposite of this statment.
Every media outlet has made a satire out of a "union guy" sterotype. And you're on here saying - nope, no way, not how it is at all - everyone else is delusional, Im the only guy who knows the truth...
Every media outlet has made a satire out of a "union guy" sterotype. And you're on here saying - nope, no way, not how it is at all - everyone else is delusional, Im the only guy who knows the truth...
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03-14-2013 | 10:48 AM
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Man, you are all over the map. I wasnt the poster that made that reference. My point is, when it comes to reliablity the engineering design powering your boat ( as someone else mentioned) is a 50 year old GM engineered product. It's not like GM sat on the design, and the LSx engines are are a shining exapmle of GM ( US) engineering. BMW, Mercedes, Ferrari and Lamborghini wish they could produce an engine as simple, lightweight, powerfull and more importantly to GM cheaply. Through in BSFC and it gets better for the engineers. The basis for engineering is this ( as explained to me by a renowned structure engineer in the PNW) is this. Do more with less. If this is the mantra, tell me which manufacture does this better than the big 2.5?
You must enjoy listening to yourself
03-14-2013 | 10:55 AM
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Can you read? They close their market so you can't sell there no matter what you have, it is a huge market where you can't sell cars if you aren't from there. You just described Europe as well, guess what GM and Ford have been selling there for decades and with times of great success. You design the cars for the market. There laws don't keep out foreigners specifically. When you have a closed market you can recover your development costs and sell elsewhere for lower prices, beating the local guys. Toss a huge currency advantage in like they had and the result became academic.
Why is this so hard, why do you want to defend the Japanese?
I get it not everyone understands this industry, it is incredibly complex, global, and regulated. But if you have next to no knowldedge of it, little global busniess acumen, and maybe just little sense period why keep posting crap like you have a clue? Oh yeah, it's the internet, we're all experts.
What is your job, let me tell you about your industry? You a pilot, well I've rode in a plane so let me tell you about building a plane cuz I've been in one. Your in construction, let me tell you what you're doing wrong, I swung a hammer once. That's how these auto discussions go anyways, everyone's an expert
Why is this so hard, why do you want to defend the Japanese?
I get it not everyone understands this industry, it is incredibly complex, global, and regulated. But if you have next to no knowldedge of it, little global busniess acumen, and maybe just little sense period why keep posting crap like you have a clue? Oh yeah, it's the internet, we're all experts.
What is your job, let me tell you about your industry? You a pilot, well I've rode in a plane so let me tell you about building a plane cuz I've been in one. Your in construction, let me tell you what you're doing wrong, I swung a hammer once. That's how these auto discussions go anyways, everyone's an expert
Wouldn't it be easier if we just bought what was the best value for US, the BUYER??
Maybe everyone in the US needs to sit down in a 12 hr seminar hosted by UAW officials spreading the propaganda you preach, then we would all buy from UAW and the world would be a better place?
Or, they could just improve the quality (which they are NOW doing) and give us better value cars and trucks, and win the market back the real AMERICAN way.
I never said I won't buy from the big three again, but right now I am extremely happy with my Texas built HD 1/2 ton truck. Chevy is making a real come back, and it shows in the lastest customer satisfaction and repair reports. They also make the best looking truck IMO. I hear they also solved the tricky intake gasket leak problem, that only took 12 years to fix
