Originally Posted by Greatguy66 (Post 3882466)

:flag:Agree!Buy here!

Originally Posted by POWERPLAY J (Post 3882375)

C'mon man. I know I am in the heart of the big three. But it is also the capitol of laziness and corruption. Why would I want to overspend on a vehicle because some dumb **** either slept or worked his shift hammered just to retire and sleep and get hammered and still get paid? What about the ones that get caught stealing engines or whole cars yet get put back on the line? It's ****ing bull**** and most people only hear about a small percentage of what really goes on. Get rid of the UAW and the lazy, no skill, drunk fuktards that leech off the system and I will tip my hat to the big three and buy and support them.

Originally Posted by GO4BROKE (Post 3882503)

And Ron, if GM's leather is best, we are all getting ripped off! Costs as much as a Natuzzi couch, and feels like vinyl! I would like a high quality synthetic as an option.

Originally Posted by GO4BROKE (Post 3882499)

Buy Kwik fill. Its cheaper and American oil.
4bus and I have already had our debate, and I am not here to argue but will throw in my 2 cents. In the 70's imports were better running cars because they didn't have to meet emissions until 2 years after the big 3, at which point they only needed to copy the fixes. Duramax injector issues, yup, I'm not a fan of the motor, its isuzu junk. Tundra brakes are larger, because the truck is heavy, its needed. I am not sure where the weight is because the frame is no where as rigid as GM's. The truck loads of frames I see coming into Romano every week speaks volumes for quality. They have 2 techs that do nothing but replace truck frames. In the early-mid 2000's gm had junk window regulators, I would rather have a window that doesn't move than a frame break. I just put a computer in a toyota, and used toyotas need all the same work as used gm's. Most GM trucks get 100k out of a set of pads, unless your not smart enough to wash the salt off during the winter. Every year some guy with a plow truck will ***** he needs brakes after letting the truck sit all summer with salt on it. Even stainless rusts in salt water. Toyota motors in ski boats-epic fail. The three blown engines in the 500 was pretty interesting too.

Originally Posted by skaterdave (Post 3882476)

my apologies, sorry that was a little harsh. but the video shows a 42 baja cruiser and there not the most efficient boats, anyway........

on the common sense side of reality, i'm just looking at the truck in the video, or even the pic of the Ford excursion with the fountain, atleast that truck is sitting level compared to the toyota not sure how yours sits with but it looks like in the video that theier way past the "recommended tongue weight". i've towed a fair a mount of equipment and boats and had my share of issues. that being said i personally wouldn't do that, especially having a CDL.

the other big factor here is STOPPING or having to perform some kind of high speed maneuvering, while likely being at the MAX or over the rated towing capacity you'll end up in the ditch. to many people think that if they can get it rolling behind their truck that alls good.

see it all the time down here in FL, some yoyo towing a loader or dozer with a 5th wheel and a daully. i wouldn't want to have somebody like that behind me and my family on I-75.

Originally Posted by wrinkleface (Post 3882504)

Up here near Flint I hear ya!! howz bout that "jobs bank" bs!!:poopoo:

Originally Posted by rlj676 (Post 3882347)

What a crock of crap. The Japanese gov't has for years supported their OEM's, ours has **** on us until the bailout.

You are posting utter lies to justify your foreign purchase. Why don't you look up GM, Ford and Chrysler employment. First of all I believe you've overstated toyota by 10k ish, but either way GM employs 90k Americans to sell a similar number of cars. Ford over 60k to sell less. Before anyone gets cute and blames this on efficiency, Toyota claims to employ over 300k global people vs GM's 250k or so. Foreign companies per car sold employ less than 50% of the people, which is then multiplied by the supplier effect, etc.

Keep justifying buying foreign crap because they sell you a load of crap while wrapping themselves in the American flag. Americans are fools and they know it and exploit it.

Please feel free to post how the Big 3 have moved production while others build here, the reality is laughably the opposite. The VAST majority of domestics are built in the US, a much smaller bit of transplants. All they have to do is put "made in USA" on the one or two models in a commercial and this is the crap "Americans" spew to justify their purchase.

The tundra is junk. A country that can't buy enough bland Camry's still buy 1/6th the tundra's they do F150's or GM's each.

Edit: adding a link, aka a clue http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2...s-workers.html