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One more thing that is very interesting in New Jersey. I was in court in Hopatcong NJ this month, where another attorney had a thrid offense Boating Under the Influence (BUI) client (Lake Hopatcong). If your are convicted of a thrid offense Driving Under the Influence (DUI) in New Jersey it is a mandatory 180 days in jail, and a ten year loss of license; HOWEVER, this smart attorney was able find case law on piont and keep his client out of jail for the 180 days for the thrid offense conviction of Boating Under the Influence, but did lose his privilege to operate a boat for ten years. There is much more fact dependent information/subleties to this case, but at least the defendant was not incareated.
That was the first time that I had witnessed that defense successfully. So, bottomline...if your are jammed-up (arrested) in New Jersey call me! Stephen R. Jones, Esquire [email protected] |
Here in MO (LakeO), you must be operating...
In my last criminal trial, I represented a guy who was behind the wheel of a pontoon with the motor on/idling but not in gear (officer never saw him drive). Upon my request, the court allowed me to modify the jury instruction to read, “'Operate', as used in Section 306.111 RSMo means 'to physically control the movement of a vessel in motion under mechanical or sail power in water'". No conviction. Another attorney down here represented a driver running 110 octane in a canopy boat and the officer said "I smell alcohol" - apparently the response was, "you could spill a keg of beer in here and it would smell the same". No conviction. |
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Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER
(Post 3890400)
I was told by someone the USCG cannot issue a DUI that goes against your driver license. Only local law enforcement like sheriff, city pd, etc. Is that true?
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when are you in Canada?
Originally Posted by AB From Windsor
(Post 3890595)
In Ontario Canada, no one on board can have open alchol while boat is moving. You can only drink on board if A: you have a cabin with a stove and fridge ( no BBQ or ice cooler counts as stove or fridge) and you are anchored for the night or docked at a Marina.
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Originally Posted by captain caveman
(Post 3890691)
:party-smiley-004: Last year i was drifting in the middle of the West Niagara River in New York when two Canadian police officers on jet skis approached. They did not ask to board, but said i was in Canadian waters and would have to be cited for drinking. I claimed that my understanding was that boaters are not in Canada until they drop anchor and call Customs. Besides, i am drinking Canadian beer. They laughed, but issued a $125.00 ticket to everyone drinking on board.Since the border is invisible, should i consider the whole river to be Canada? Additionally, boating in my area is overseen by the US Coast Guard, Customs/Homeland Security, Conservation, Parks Police, Sheriff Dept, and various town authorities. All this oversight makes boating in this area safe, but over-regulated.
We get it here too on the Ohio River. Kentucky and Ohio patrol bank to bank, but where are you??? Sounds worse between to different countries. For the most part I've found if you're not being an ******* you won't be treated like one. |
Originally Posted by Baja_342
(Post 3890694)
That's a tricky, grey area:)
We get it here too on the Ohio River. Kentucky and Ohio patrol bank to bank, but where are you??? Sounds worse between to different countries. For the most part I've found if you're not being an ******* you won't be treated like one. Full safety check, then I guess because its Buffet they wanna put a dog on my boat & let him sniff around. Don't know how many times I had to ask them to loosen up the lines so there damn rubber sided boat wouldn't bouncing off mine. Then as I start it up to leave tell me I can't drive my boat I've owned 5 years because I hadn't had a coast guard course & that my buddy has to drive because he's over the age where he was grand fathered in. Had to be born before 82, I was born in 84. Guys never drove a boat in his life, tell me how stupid that is!! |
Originally Posted by captain caveman
(Post 3890691)
:party-smiley-004: Last year i was drifting in the middle of the West Niagara River in New York when two Canadian police officers on jet skis approached. They did not ask to board, but said i was in Canadian waters and would have to be cited for drinking. I claimed that my understanding was that boaters are not in Canada until they drop anchor and call Customs. Besides, i am drinking Canadian beer. They laughed, but issued a $125.00 ticket to everyone drinking on board.Since the border is invisible, should i consider the whole river to be Canada? Additionally, boating in my area is overseen by the US Coast Guard, Customs/Homeland Security, Conservation, Parks Police, Sheriff Dept, and various town authorities. All this oversight makes boating in this area safe, but over-regulated.
I beleive in 2011 a deal was struck by Canada and the U.S. (Detroit River Area for sure) that Police, Customs and Homeland Security could enforce boating regulations and Laws on both sides of the River or Lakes in International waters. I never have any alcohol on my boat except for pop or water. If we are pulled over and searched there is never a problem. When we want a drink we go to a Bar or Restaurant and have a bite to eat as well. |
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