New Donzi Retail Pricing???
 

First, I am a huge Donzi enthusiast and hate seeing the funk they have been in for the last several years and really hope they can recover. That being said, I just saw they released the 2014 build sheet with retail pricing on them. I realize that this is just "MSRP" prices and that noone pays MSRP unless they just have no idea what they are doing. How does Donzi ever expect to get back in it with their ridiculous pricing? They built 0 43ZRs in 2013 (probably 0 boats all together, not sure?) yet they raised the prices by 6 figures on several engine packages.

For example in 2013 a 43 with 1350's had a list price of $989,000 and in 2014 it's up to $1,099,000. Triple 700's in 2013 was at $817,000 and now up to $906,000. This is just base pricing with 0 options!!! Granted most of the options have dropped in price since last year which makes no sense but still.

No idea what this company is thinking lately. Between the POS Baja's they have been releasing and now beyond ridiculous pricing on Donzis (Fountain. Baja, and Pro Line too I'm sure), there is no way they will ever bounce back :( wish I could just buy Donzi and do it right.

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What do you think they are worth?(the company)

Hard to put an accurate valuation on it. They have no facility (the old fountain plant but if Baja ever did sell Donzi obviously the plant wouldn't be part of the deal). They have had little to no sales over the last 2-3 years, they have lost (as far as I know through knowing multiple people that use to work for Donzi in Sarasota) all of their sales, rigging, engineering, and technical talent. Any orders they do get will be Fountain or Baja people rigging them. Not saying they don't know what they are doing but compared to the guys who built the 100's of ZR/ ZX boats in the 2000's, they wouldn't have a clue. Also, I know the classic molds are still in Sarasota. Other than the Donzi name and the ZR molds, there isn't a whole lot worth much these days with Donzi. Just my opinion and I certainly hope things change for the better.

And just to add who in their rite mind would pay 100 k for a 22 classic? I know i would not,,and also that is with no options as well..not even hyd steering and with the new 502 pkg you know the boat will go over 70 mph and back in the 200g when they put a 496 hp in them and they went into the 70's they still did not put hyd steering on them...Not trying to be negitive but who would pay 1.1 mil for a 43 zr when you can get a much faster boat like a skater or a mti for less money..sorry they are never going to recover...just my o2..

Their pricing is nuts!! Why on earth would anyone pay $640k for twin 700 sc without any options when you could buy a 2008 with the same engines, 225 hours and all the options for $230k? http://www.offshoreonly.com/classifi...o54390-en.html

So what your saying is the company us worth less than what they would want for one if there boats

Do they still own the Old factory property in Sarasota?

They have done the same thing to the Baja brand! The boats look like crap and cost twice as much, if the same people are designing the Donzi's you may as well forget it. IMO they have absolutely destroyed the brands!

Donzi building is for sale in Sarasota. I don't believe it's owned by Donzi anymore but not 100% positive on that. The price went up for the 22 classic too. $130,930 MSRP loaded up. That is way out of control wtf are they thinking?

Did Mercury or a major supplier increase the prices of their supplies lately?

I just can't imagine they raised the 1350 / M8 by $55,000 each . The trend has seemed to be the prices go down as the engines have been on the market longer after they have likely covered all the R&D that went into them and now that they have proven to be booked on orders

Unless they are having trouble keeping them together under warranty as has been previously suggested in other threads?

That says last revised in 2012

First of all, no one pays full MSRP. Second, Baja is fully capable of building a quality boat. Third, let's be glad that the brand name still exists! Finally, maybe someone or some group will purchase Donzi and start building them again.

I just don't understand where they come up these prices. Its killing the sport. The average middle class person cannot boat anymore. I grew up on the Mullica River in NJ and back in the 80's and 90's the river was packed. On any given weekend there would be at least 50-100 boats or jetskis on the water. Now you are lucky to see 5-10. I know gas prices def have a effect but the cost to even purchase a used boat is insane.
Example when I graduted from HS in 1999 I purchased the baddest fastest jetski they made and it cost $5600.. now to purchase the same ski your looking at 15k.. Why can't they just produce that same ski or boat from 1999 for around the same price or within reason? Lets go back to basics.
It would seem like common sense if we can sell 1000 boats and lets say make 5,000 profit.. instead of 20 boats at 50k profit.

No one pays it but these princes are way too high even for MSRP especially for a company that has no sales as of late and is clearly struggling. A struggling business is not going to get people interested by posting ludicrous MSRP prices as the first thing they see. Even as much as I love Donzi, if I were in the market for a new 43ft boat and seeing the list price they have would make me say forget it and go look at Cigarette, OL, and Nor Tech. I'm curious if someone did decide to order a 43 or any Donzi for that matter if they could even do it in a decent time frame. They haven't built any in several years and the likely hood that they even have someone there that has ever seen a Zr built is highly unlikely.

Without weighing in on the sanity of the new price list, we must remember a couple of things. First, Donzi (along with Fountain, Pro Line, Baja, and many more) went bankrupt. Among other things, that meant it cost them more to build their products that they were charging customers to buy them. One way to fix that problem going forward might be to charge more. Yes, despite what the government might tell you, a real business needs to make money to survive.

The second thing we should probably all remember is that "easy money" lending practices coupled with the above mentioned issue led to many boat manufacturers being able to sell lots of boats to people who really couldn't afford them. Eventually, many of these folks lost their boats (had them repossessed) due to an inability to pay for them. This shouldn't have been a big surprise to anyone BTW.

So when you put these two issues (and many more) together, you end up with an unsustainable business model. Sad, but true.

To really put it in perspective a 43' priced at $1,099,000.00 comes out to $25,558.14 per foot. I"m all for made in the USA, but, it's way too much of a gouge. Time to have them made in China.

Good luck trying to get it for less than MSRP. You may be able to snag one at a boat show for slightly less, the dealer/mfr. would be happy to not have to haul it back and try to sell it for new after thousands of people have crawled all over it. Last experience I had it was pay it or leave it.

Unfortunately unless boats are mass produced they will continue to be one offs, which are by nature expensive. Builders who continue to gouge on prices will eventually run out of buyers and in turn have no choice but to shut down. If you take the ratio of the population who could afford a boat, then take that ratio and apply it to how many would be boaters, then further take that ratio of who would want a go fast and the numbers get really small. If you we're wanting to start a boat building business the stats wouldn't support the business plan here in the USA. It's just another race to the bottom.