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ealesh33 01-06-2014 03:16 PM

Trim Switch For Offshore Controls
 
Ok so I have a set of the kheikhafer controls in my boat, my boat is a single engine, 92 24 Outlaw to be exact. I am doing alot of updating and cosmetic things to just make the boat look good like what we all like to do, and have been really torn between redoing my existing controls or getting a new livorsi set. As a happy medium I decided I'll grab a set of factory white ones with the trim switch built in like alot of the late 90's and on boats came with, so have been on the look out for them, but haven't been able to get ahold of a set. So after probably 2 months of going back an forth I decide screw it, im just goint to redo my controls. Now my controls do have the add on rex marine trim switch, it was peeling as well, and due to almost all of the little tiny headed allen keys holding it on being striped I couldn't get it off (switch was on when i bought the boat). So I do some looking and find rex marines site and decide hey I can just order a new one, so I'll just cut this one off as it needs to be off in order to powder coat. So I take the controls apart to take down for new powdercoat, cut the trim switch off, and drop off the controls for powdercoat saturday morning. I give rex marine a call today and BOOM, they don't make them anymore, and don't have any left.

So now I can't get ahold of this rex marine trim switch for the throttle lever, so I am trying to find a solution for adding the trim switch to my throttle. I called livorsi as rex marine said they may have some, but they didn't, and they said try Merc. I tried them, and they said I could probably piece the one that comes in there zero effort controls (essentially the same controls), but have to go to a merc dealer to do anything further to order anything.

Basically I am looking for an option of a trim switch I can add onto my throttle, anyone have any ideas of where I can get such a unicorn?

Katanna 01-06-2014 04:47 PM

I was planning on adding them to mine. Thought they were still available. Let you know if I find some. I may make my own out of some micro switches.

US1 Fountain 01-06-2014 05:52 PM

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#'s 2,3,4,5,6, and 9 if for tabs. If just for drive, then #9 not needed.
http://www.mercruiserparts.com/Show_...%2C+Components

I added the switch to my Kieks

sprink58 01-06-2014 07:07 PM

I'm watching this thread closely. I just added the Kiekhiefer Zero Effort Dual Control to my 255 Formula and would love to retro the switches if they are actually available. Give Marc Berman a call at BAM...if they're available he will know.[IMG]http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/w...ps8f5223ec.jpg[/IMG]

smokin' gun 01-06-2014 08:29 PM

heres a nice cheap way to do it ive done many like this.the older zero efforts without trim in handle can be converted easily .there is 2 screws under the cover on the throttle where the trim would go .remove those and drill a hole for the wires on the new switch to run down .i usually use a piece of black shrink tube and a small tie wrap to keep it in place.any ways the switch is on ebay great lakes skipper has em ive done many this way

ebay item # 400637260928

ealesh33 01-06-2014 09:13 PM


Originally Posted by US1 Fountain (Post 4053141)
#'s 2,3,4,5,6, and 9 if for tabs. If just for drive, then #9 not needed.
http://www.mercruiserparts.com/Show_...%2C+Components

I added the switch to my Kieks

I actually spoke to CPPerformance and asked them about this after I had posted this and they gave me the part numbers as well. Awesome to get input from someone that did it and it fits perfect.

Question for you though, the wire harness says not sold seperate, how did you get the wire harness? Did you have to solder your own connections to the actual switch?

ealesh33 01-06-2014 09:17 PM


Originally Posted by smokin' gun (Post 4053243)
heres a nice cheap way to do it ive done many like this.the older zero efforts without trim in handle can be converted easily .there is 2 screws under the cover on the throttle where the trim would go .remove those and drill a hole for the wires on the new switch to run down .i usually use a piece of black shrink tube and a small tie wrap to keep it in place.any ways the switch is on ebay great lakes skipper has em ive done many this way

ebay item # 400637260928

I saw this a while back when I was first looking but was just set on buying a new set or using rex marine. So i did a search earlier and relocated them. I actually like these and called today to make sure they were available, my issue with them, and may sound stupid to some, but is that they say formula on them. I am considering this switch though.

ealesh33 01-06-2014 09:25 PM


Originally Posted by sprink58 (Post 4053202)
I'm watching this thread closely. I just added the Kiekhiefer Zero Effort Dual Control to my 255 Formula and would love to retro the switches if they are actually available. Give Marc Berman a call at BAM...if they're available he will know.[IMG]http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/w...ps8f5223ec.jpg[/IMG]

I actually contacted Marc, but I freaking hate email. It drives me absolutely nuts to email, and it takes 2 to 3 days to get answers to my questions. I am not the most patient person LOL. I couldn't find a number to reach him, but I will admit I didn't spend a ton of time looking. I emailed him probably mid afternoon, and I did get a response but it was at the end of the day. I sent back some questions so I guess we will be back at it tomorrow. Looking to iron this out farely quickly cause for some crazy reason I just want the projects to be done and my boat be ready for spring. Its the patience thing again lol. I am actually surprised I kept it together for the past 3 months working on the projects lol

Katanna 01-06-2014 09:47 PM

Did you check to see if this one is still available? http://www.danamarineproducts.com/Th...imSwitches.htm

US1 Fountain 01-06-2014 10:21 PM


Originally Posted by ealesh33 (Post 4053273)
I actually spoke to CPPerformance and asked them about this after I had posted this and they gave me the part numbers as well. Awesome to get input from someone that did it and it fits perfect.

Question for you though, the wire harness says not sold seperate, how did you get the wire harness? Did you have to solder your own connections to the actual switch?

It's been over 10 yrs since I did that mod, but I believe I just bought some small wire, and then yes, soldered to the switch and ran thru the tube, down into the shifter base to be connected under the dash to the dash switches. This was for the tabs, so I needed the diode harness,#9 (x2) also. The tube for the wires I think was just brake tubing. I drilled a hole in the shifter knob base for tube to slip into for the wires to pass thru, and fastened the tube to the lever base. Or as smok'n gun mentioned, just use shrink wrap. I tried to copy the look of the factory levers, thus with the tube

ealesh33 01-06-2014 10:39 PM


Originally Posted by Katanna (Post 4053302)
Did you check to see if this one is still available? http://www.danamarineproducts.com/Th...imSwitches.htm

Nice find I will check on that one tomorrow, didn't know they made one.

ealesh33 01-06-2014 10:40 PM


Originally Posted by US1 Fountain (Post 4053323)
It's been over 10 yrs since I did that mod, but I believe I just bought some small wire, and then yes, soldered to the switch and ran thru the tube, down into the shifter base to be connected under the dash to the dash switches. This was for the tabs, so I needed the diode harness,#9 (x2) also. The tube for the wires I think was just brake tubing. I drilled a hole in the shifter knob base for tube to slip into for the wires to pass thru, and fastened the tube to the lever base. Or as smok'n gun mentioned, just use shrink wrap. I tried to copy the look of the factory levers, thus with the tube

Ok I appreciate the info man, thank you. Just glad I have some options now, as I didn't want to go with a steering wheel mount.

sprink58 01-06-2014 11:41 PM


Originally Posted by ealesh33 (Post 4053283)
I actually contacted Marc, but I freaking hate email. It drives me absolutely nuts to email, and it takes 2 to 3 days to get answers to my questions. I am not the most patient person LOL. I couldn't find a number to reach him, but I will admit I didn't spend a ton of time looking. I emailed him probably mid afternoon, and I did get a response but it was at the end of the day. I sent back some questions so I guess we will be back at it tomorrow. Looking to iron this out farely quickly cause for some crazy reason I just want the projects to be done and my boat be ready for spring. Its the patience thing again lol. I am actually surprised I kept it together for the past 3 months working on the projects lol

It's that "Type A" personality kicking in...I'm the same way...some people think I'm dogging them but I'm not really...just trying to get the process completed step by step LOL!!

sprink58 01-06-2014 11:42 PM


Originally Posted by smokin' gun (Post 4053243)
heres a nice cheap way to do it ive done many like this.the older zero efforts without trim in handle can be converted easily .there is 2 screws under the cover on the throttle where the trim would go .remove those and drill a hole for the wires on the new switch to run down .i usually use a piece of black shrink tube and a small tie wrap to keep it in place.any ways the switch is on ebay great lakes skipper has em ive done many this way

ebay item # 400637260928

I need to look in to that...makes a lot of sense and sounds like it looks decent also.

smokin' gun 01-07-2014 05:12 AM


Originally Posted by sprink58 (Post 4053357)
I need to look in to that...makes a lot of sense and sounds like it looks decent also.

for you it will work out good because it says formula on it. i saw another not wanting to use it because of the name.however with some thinner it will rub off /just so you know guys these are the fact switches formula used on their boats.great lakes skipper buys out left over stock

ealesh33 01-07-2014 07:36 AM


Originally Posted by smokin' gun (Post 4053380)
for you it will work out good because it says formula on it. i saw another not wanting to use it because of the name.however with some thinner it will rub off /just so you know guys these are the fact switches formula used on their boats.great lakes skipper buys out left over stock

I am also considering thumb relative access to the switch with my hand on the throttle, thats why i liked the rex marine or that dana marine one that is similar, because your thumb is basically in that spot when your hand is on the throttle. With the trim switch in the round portion of the handle it would seem that with your palm on the round portion of the lever you would have to readjust your hand to be able to reach your thumb back to hit the switch. That or put your hand in a location on the lever that makes your thumb relative to the switch.

Have you rubbed the "Formula" off of this switch before? If so how well did that work? Did it mess up the switch at all?

ealesh33 01-07-2014 12:28 PM


Originally Posted by Katanna (Post 4053302)
Did you check to see if this one is still available? http://www.danamarineproducts.com/Th...imSwitches.htm

These are still available, but guy said they were made to fit gaffrig or livorsi controls, he said he was unsure how they would fit the KK controls. Anyone used this before on the KK controls???

ealesh33 01-07-2014 02:02 PM


Originally Posted by smokin' gun (Post 4053380)
for you it will work out good because it says formula on it. i saw another not wanting to use it because of the name.however with some thinner it will rub off /just so you know guys these are the fact switches formula used on their boats.great lakes skipper buys out left over stock

I went ahead and ordered this one from great lakes skippers site. I think it will work out just fine.

mptrimshop 01-07-2014 02:54 PM

What would it take to turn a piece on a lath and put a switch in ?

smokin' gun 01-07-2014 07:02 PM


Originally Posted by ealesh33 (Post 4053556)
These are still available, but guy said they were made to fit gaffrig or livorsi controls, he said he was unsure how they would fit the KK controls. Anyone used this before on the KK controls???

thats what i put them on the fact kk controls .i did 2 1989 formula 292s with them .pop the red cap off the throttle and there are 2 screws there , as i remember the new switch comes with longer screws and a metal part that holds the switch on.i drilled a small hole on the bottom of the round part of handle for the wires to come out .i think i used a small piece of speedo tube on 1 to run the wires thru with a small tie rap at the bottom .its a very simple job pretty sure you guys can handle it

smokin' gun 01-07-2014 07:03 PM


Originally Posted by mptrimshop (Post 4053621)
What would it take to turn a piece on a lath and put a switch in ?

this fit my kk controls

ealesh33 01-13-2014 12:24 PM


Originally Posted by smokin' gun (Post 4053243)
heres a nice cheap way to do it ive done many like this.the older zero efforts without trim in handle can be converted easily .there is 2 screws under the cover on the throttle where the trim would go .remove those and drill a hole for the wires on the new switch to run down .i usually use a piece of black shrink tube and a small tie wrap to keep it in place.any ways the switch is on ebay great lakes skipper has em ive done many this way

ebay item # 400637260928

I used this trim switch like Smokin' gun suggested, here is a link for it:

http://greatlakesskipper.com/baja-fo...ol-trim-switch

This worked well, it fit tight, actually had to do a little sanding then tap it in, and had to buy longer screws as the ones provided were to short(was .27 cents for the 2 screws at my local sears hardware store). Is a really clean finished product, easy to install in KK controls, and cost is a no brainer. Here are a few pics:

http://i746.photobucket.com/albums/x.../controls3.jpg
http://i746.photobucket.com/albums/x.../controls2.jpg
http://i746.photobucket.com/albums/x.../Controls1.jpg

RNGRDVE 06-05-2015 07:03 AM

Bringing back a old thread. I just received my switch from GLS yesterday and can't wait to get rid of the crappy switches on the wheel. I started having a issue last week where the drive trims itself up when idling, I think water got into the helm when we got caught out in a storm. Also you have to play with wiring to get drive to trim at times. Do I simply disconnect wiring to helm and wire straight to this switch?

JUPITER PULSARE 06-05-2015 02:51 PM


Originally Posted by RNGRDVE (Post 4313449)
Bringing back a old thread. I just received my switch from GLS yesterday and can't wait to get rid of the crappy switches on the wheel. I started having a issue last week where the drive trims itself up when idling, I think water got into the helm when we got caught out in a storm. Also you have to play with wiring to get drive to trim at times. Do I simply disconnect wiring to helm and wire straight to this switch?

RNGRDVE, fill me in on your switch. I need to do the same on the throttles of my 2800!

RNGRDVE 06-09-2015 12:31 PM

Steve it worked well. I haven't been on the water yet but installed it on Sunday and it does the job nicely. I'll pm my #, Shoot me a message and I'll send some pics.

edit, your mailbox is full. I sent a message on the Checkmate forum.

89Mach1 01-22-2016 10:32 PM

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I did exactly that! If anyone is interested I have a few more I made as some people have shown an interest in it. Also drilled the hole under the handle and made a stainless tube to run wires through. PM if interested.

Cway27 08-10-2017 11:01 PM


Originally Posted by 89Mach1 (Post 4396423)
I did exactly that! If anyone is interested I have a few more I made as some people have shown an interest in it. Also drilled the hole under the handle and made a stainless tube to run wires through. PM if interested.

I know it's an old thread but would you happen to have a trim switch for Kiekhaefer control left?

thanks in advance

Baja 250es 12-25-2020 11:32 PM

Switch
 
I know it's really old thread but does anyone have this available to buy

bajalux 03-19-2021 09:56 AM

Hi

It's very difficult to find !!

new or used...


kawilliams 06-20-2023 09:28 PM


Originally Posted by 89Mach1 (Post 4396423)
I did exactly that! If anyone is interested I have a few more I made as some people have shown an interest in it. Also drilled the hole under the handle and made a stainless tube to run wires through. PM if interested.

Yes, old thread but I can't PM 89Mach1 (newbie) looking to see if any more switches being made?

thank you
kw

Griff 06-20-2023 09:53 PM


Originally Posted by kawilliams (Post 4871188)
Yes, old thread but I can't PM 89Mach1 (newbie) looking to see if any more switches being made?

thank you
kw

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