You do realize the company went bankrupt right? :evilb:

Obviously changes were necessary on many levels and selling the same boat for 20 years doesn't bring out new buyers because you streamlined the windshield a few inches.

Cool story

I don't think fountain went under because of the boats they were building. Fountain changes hands then goes under. Im blaming it on bad business. Fountain wasn't the only name that went down with the sinking ship. Id compare the 42 to a top gun. Very minimal changes since inception. If it ain't broke, don't fix it til its broke.

Did you not buy a sunsation that was allready in production for 10+ years?

Actually no......I had one of the first 32 MCOB's (it may have been the first since it was the test boat for Hot Boat).

Reggie was out the door because it was already millions in debt, if it was profitable he would still be at the helm!

Cig went twin step, then staggered in addition to trim changes.

actually yes 32 sunsation same old hull design with fake steps..

so you are saying fountain redesigns some stuff and the windshield and it's still the same old boat ..
Sunsation puts a hole in front and it's a new design.. okay

Correct me if im wrong but the 42 started as a flat bottom most with trips, progressed to steps, eventually went exclusively to twins, staggered an option, interior was also updated. Much of the same changes the TG seen over the years but the basic design remained untouched. Its not like he unloaded all his problems and walked away. He remained an employee for a year or two after i believe as part of the deal

so you are saying if fountain went with staggered engines .twin step..and some other redesigns they be doing great today..thanks

if this thread was about Baja you be saying crap about them ..lf it was about powerquest you be saying crap about them or any other builder for the most part ..you just like to go against the grain all the time.. and we thank you for all you knowledge and information we're grateful to have you

I think you guys are missing the point.....OL is constantly changing, Fountain was not. It is hard to sell a guy the same boat he already has but make changes and make the guy want the new boat, just like any successful manufacturer does.....cars/bikes/computers/tvs....whatever. Reggie had a winner with the 42 hull, absolutely from the sales floor to the race course....no argument but better hulls have been introduced and without evolving you get left behind.

Cig still makes a 38TG but when have you seen a new one lately? I remember the electric boat, but can't think of the last new TG I have seen. They are killing it with those 42 Huntresses and the CC line......evolving. Reggie had a good line of CC's, the 38 TE being my favorite but boats like the 38 cruiser/fish idea were awful, the EC/Fish package was even worse! Reggie got caught trying to make 30+ different styles of boats from the 27 to the 48, go fast/cruiser/fish/ or combos of both. Dealers were sweating stocking all this stuff (and paying the vig on the floorplan) as the market was drying up.

Current management is trying to figure out what to do with all these boats/lines/brands.....but without Reggie I suspect no one will be in line to buy a 42 dating to 1995 and even if Reggie was pressing palms in the sales booth I suspect it would be a very short line. Shogren was the biggest Fountain dealer in America at one time, could you see him ordering 5-10 new Fountains today? A 42/700 boat would have to be 600K+ yet you can buy 3 used ones at that price right now and have the identical boat! Factor in an OL 44/700 boat would be 10-15 mph faster and that demand for the Fountain would really dwindle.

BTW this was the baddest 42 ever made in my opinion: http://www.offshoreonly.com/classifi...o56827-en.html But that boat today would be 800K++++ which is insanity.

I disagree Reggie was always tweaking the hull. Adding more steps or making them bigger. To say he was just punching out the same old mold is inaccurate. Was he updating the top side or selling better clothing like his competitor ...No....he has and had speed running through his veins. Some things will never change

Wait... my 09 42 fountain with stock 700's does 105mph, and your sayin a 44 OL with the same power does 115-120mph??

What does a new 44OL cost with 700's, I bet close to 500-600k

I agree with you that OL has made significant changes to there line , for the better

You take your boat to Reggie III and it will be running 115 plus forget about the OL guys

Reggie's a cool cat.

I think he looks great with grey hair too. I hope he never takes off the Gold Saw Blade chain

This is really amazing. OL quietly brings a boat to NC to break a record and does so. No real fanfare, no marketing hype afterwords, no 12 pages of ads in magazines proclaiming the ultimate accomplishment of mankind, and all people here do is yak about Reggie.

Gotta tell ya fellas, I'll never own either boat for various reasons but this whole episode has really turned me off to the Fountain brand. I've never seen a more a more puny minded bunch of groupies over a product ever.

Reggie does look good. He did a lot for the sport and now deserves to enjoy a nice retirement. Outerlimits is the new Fountain. Mike is the new Reggie. JMO.

maybe you should go back and reread the thread,,
All the Fountain guys are doing is defending the brand they love against the haters..

as far as you buying a Fountain,when the time comes for you to buy a boat you have every right to buy what ever you want...

Puny minded... I like that one, thanks man!

You gotta admit, some of the posts since OL went fast are sour grapes. I don't get it. It's a heck of an accomplishment just as Reggie's was, big fuss was made out of Reggie's record but there's pretty much crickets and sour grapes over this one. Reggie's run was balls out thrilling, this one too, they should both be celebrated IMO.

In the end though, I guess I'm not crazy about top speed records for offshore boats, seems better suited for river and lake runners. I'm more interested in how a boat performs in tough conditions; how it holds together, how it handles chop, its stability and ability to hold speed in conditions that keep many boats in the harbor. Maybe my view is a bit different since I don't boat in a lake or river, but I don't think either Fountain, OL, or any other brand is going to be running those crazy speeds in tough conditions.

Threads plural, it's all over the board.

I could be wrong but,,I do not think any of them were started by any Fountain guys..

" tough conditions " ya gotta be kidding me , it doesn't get any tougher than racing ! Again Reggie's record speaks for itself ...... Fast in a straight line in close to ideal conditions doesn't mean much without the wins to back it up. Before you start you start bad mouthing a ledgend or making your self look an idiot trying to get your facts straight .

I don't see any badmouthing in his post. He's right, no one will run 150+ on the open ocean. At least I don't think they will. . . . . .

Saratoga Stampede was running 140 in Key West a few years back.

Sorry Mrs. Fountain...I missed the part where I bad mouthed you husband.

I'd say what you need to do is look at the Top of the thread and take a look at what it's called .....

"Reggie speaks out". Not anything about Outerlimits

You need to jump in on a correct thread. And for the record No never owned or thought about a Fountain but I have had one pass me in a SBI race at about 145.mph.

I would guarantee a Outerlimits would high step away from the boat your running Sorry life is hard

No one will run 150 in the open ocean? Why not?

You're referencing my old PP? Seriously? These threads really are funny...

INDY , my apology's ..... I read the post wrong & after reading it agin I took it wrong the first time . Just chill out on the mrs fountain crap ..... For the record , haven't seen Powrerplay come close to anything in number of wins Reggie has laid down & BTW I frequent the sound often & will be keeping an eye out for ya hopefully it will be a rough day when our wakes cross . After awhile the smack talk on the 42 becomes irritating especially coming from behind a keyboard & the 42's sure as hell ain't no lake boats . No matter what any of us type away at Reggie's records are written in the history books & I will shut my mouth when fiore or any other manufacturer decides to shatter his racing records .

Never said PP surpassed Fountain's racing record. It was the perfect boat for me and that's all that mattered. Have fun in the Sound great body of water, one of the best actually. East end or western Sound?

You got good sense of humor INDY :) mostly to the western end since I come outta the hudson , but try to always make a run to Mysitc & block island at least once a year . I will shout at cha if your still boat less this year & your welcome aboard , always looking for new places in the sound pal

This thread is titled "Reggie speaks out" and was intended to show that Reggie is a class act by being supportive of OL breaking the record, which he 100% was.

I don't own a Fountain and probably never will. But Reggie has done a TON for this sport and is still contributing.

He could have handled this the total opposite.

Life is true to form; records are meant to be broken.

Mark Spitz

The reason I was told was that Fountain raised their prices to Outerlimits/Cigarette/Nortech/etc levels due to their performance level but without improving the fit/finish quality of the boats to the others level and it really hurt Fountain sales. For what it's worth, I was told this by the owner of the once largest Fountain dealer in the U.S. in person.

did he tell you this before or after he stopped selling Fountains?

Saratoga Stampede
Key West 2009
SBI Races Strong against the "Cat Killer"
Winner of the Extreme Class in 2009

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMhZmPFnv-c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIu-G7reKvw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNkjv7Tcr7g


Following its Victory in KW , it was transitioned to Trinidad/Tobago,in the fall of 2010 The boat races under the name " Stampede"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAPCve5jYXg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nFvAnW6QLU

I'm pretty sure they still sell more used Fountains than anyone else so I don't see how it's relevant. I was told to look at bilges of the other boats to see the difference in gelcoat/paint work and he was right.

Fountain did make big strides in their interiors the last few years of production.

You dont?really?

He told the truth. Look at the glass finish work in these two boat's bilges:

http://www.pier57.com/web/used/Fount...nois/11043982/

http://performanceboatcenter.com/boa...sp?boat_id=762