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Old 05-11-2014 | 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by northernoffshore
I cant imagine how dumb someone one would have to be to stand so close to FOUR running outboards??
Fixed it for you!
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Old 05-11-2014 | 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by northernoffshore
I cant imagine how dumb someone one would have to be to stand so close to a running outboard??

That's the danger of youth some of us do not make it tragically, over the years i have lost a few friend's and a brother to what i call utter lack of awareness..there ore other word's that come into play but serve no purpose....I am begining to believe there should be mandatory boating lisc required and understanding of what the word captain mean's and its ramification's....
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Old 05-11-2014 | 03:00 PM
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Not sure of the exact laws in Florida but in Pennsylvania, you can be charged with Involuntary Manslaughter if your actions lead to someones death as a result of either Gross Negligence or Reckless Behavior. If, I say this as I was not there or apart of it, the operator of the boat knew the people were standing there assisting, He is definitely guilty of this kind of behavior. There is definitely culpability or blame to go around to all those involved. The people in the water should have enough sense to stay away from a boat that is under power with an operator slamming on the throttles. The operator should not have allowed anybody near his boat when doing the same. Ultimately, when you are the one in control of your vessel or car or what ever, and somebody dies as a result of your actions, you will be or should be held accountable. It is ultimately your responsibility to operate your vessel in a safe manner.

I am sure there were a lot of components which went into this sorry result. Remove one of those components and this may not have happened. I am not passing judgement here without all he facts of a full investigation. Rather, we should all use this incident and photo, as disturbing as it might be, to educate ourselves and others of the dangers of our loved sport.
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Old 05-13-2014 | 08:31 PM
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And that in a nutshell is what's wrong with this country. What do you expect when this whole country is run by lawyers. America...land of the not so free.
Nearly all senators and representatives at the state and national level are lawyers. Most big city mayors are lawyers. All judges are lawyers. Most presidents are lawyers, even the affirmative action beneficiary currently ruling our nation. To his credit, Obama concedes that he "may have benefited from the Harvard Law Review's affirmative action policy." This did not strike him as unusual as he "undoubtedly benefited from affirmative action programs during my academic career." Sorry for brief hijack...
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Old 05-13-2014 | 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by On Time
Nearly all senators and representatives at the state and national level are lawyers. Most big city mayors are lawyers. All judges are lawyers. Most presidents are lawyers, even the affirmative action beneficiary currently ruling our nation. To his credit, Obama concedes that he "may have benefited from the Harvard Law Review's affirmative action policy." This did not strike him as unusual as he "undoubtedly benefited from affirmative action programs during my academic career." Sorry for brief hijack...
Before you pile on "the lawyers" rant.......I recently found out about a case where someone was awarded "lottery sized money"......You could triple the award or more and I wouldn't want to have gone through what they did........honestly I would have rather killed myself than endured what they did. It makes this sandbar death look like a stubbed toe case.

In this case, the lawyers were the good guys......which is probably what will happen in this sandbar case.
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Old 05-13-2014 | 11:44 PM
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Before you pile on "the lawyers" rant.......I recently found out about a case where someone was awarded "lottery sized money"......You could triple the award or more and I wouldn't want to have gone through what they did........honestly I would have rather killed myself than endured what they did. It makes this sandbar death look like a stubbed toe case.

In this case, the lawyers were the good guys......which is probably what will happen in this sandbar case.
I understand grief, and loss, because I've lost family members like others have. The issue is that the monetary value of a person's life or injury gets related to the size of the lawsuit loser's pocketbook and/or insurance policy by a lawyer solely focused on the size of his own personal profit. They begrudgingly share the winnings with victims families, the amount often negotiated up front. The legal profession in general has become brilliantly crooked - positioning themselves in our society such that no negotiation above petty matters can be done without them. "Suing" is now the kneejerk thought after any negative event involving anyone with money or insurance. It wasn't always so. Once upon a time there was the "accident".
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I understand grief, and loss, because I've lost family members like others have. The issue is that the monetary value of a person's life or injury gets related to the size of the lawsuit loser's pocketbook and/or insurance policy by a lawyer solely focused on the size of his own personal profit. They begrudgingly share the winnings with victims families, the amount often negotiated up front. The legal profession in general has become brilliantly crooked - positioning themselves in our society such that no negotiation above petty matters can be done without them. "Suing" is now the kneejerk thought after any negative event involving anyone with money or insurance. It wasn't always so. Once upon a time there was the "accident".
Yes there should be a vehicle for negligent restitution, but we've gone to far in many cases (not saying this is or isn't one of them). The fast and furious family of that actor who was killed is suing Porsche...gimme a break. In too many instances in this country people f-up and other entities wind up paying the price for it. It won't stop until there is massive change but that's akin to professional suicide which will never happen. Big Brother has us just where he wants us...bend over.
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Old 05-14-2014 | 07:16 AM
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Yes there should be a vehicle for negligent restitution, but we've gone to far in many cases (not saying this is or isn't one of them). The fast and furious family of that actor who was killed is suing Porsche...gimme a break. In too many instances in this country people f-up and other entities wind up paying the price for it. It won't stop until there is massive change but that's akin to professional suicide which will never happen. Big Brother has us just where he wants us...bend over.

Something is up with those Carrera GT's......even the previous owner (Graham Rahal, race car driver) said something was wrong with the car, very tough to drive. There have been other fatal accidents with them so there might be something to this angle. It was an oddball car for Porsche from the V10 engine to the mid engine design so maybe they got something wrong.
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Old 05-14-2014 | 07:34 AM
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maybe it was/ is a little tough to drive but you older viper driving guys out there know what you have...that thing can get out hand quick too but it's not the cars fault, its the nut behind the wheel.
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Old 05-14-2014 | 07:37 AM
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maybe it was/ is a little tough to drive but you older viper driving guys out there know what you have...that thing can get out hand quick too but it's not the cars fault, its the nut behind the wheel.
I agree with you but when race car guys are saying there is a problem then who is qualified to drive it? In another case two guys were killed at a track day and Porsche paid out on that case.
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