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Velocity Tom 05-30-2014 04:58 PM

Why has this boat not sold ?
 
http://www.offshoreonly.com/classifi...o57251-en.html

Its been for sale for ever.

Cash Bar 05-30-2014 05:03 PM

3x2.5 would be my first guess.

3 gallons a mile in that setup. :eekdrop:


Decent looking ride tho. Prob sell of the 2 strokes to the racers and rerig nicely.

Sydwayz 05-30-2014 06:10 PM

3 motors on cats is a bit of a PITA to get dialed in correctly.
Sometimes the center motor is shorter. Sometimes the center motor is longer.
(Both differences will affect water pressure and operating temperature.)
It's always running a different RPM than the outer motors, sometimes even with a different prop.

In a word: finicky(2) (And 2 = squared)

2.5L ROS are finicky to begin with.
Then having 3 of them on such a boat just takes that out to another power.
Buy it; take the middle one off and stick in the corner for a spare, and you will probably be a happy owner/boater.

Ing 05-30-2014 07:03 PM

Agree totally with other posts. 2.5s are a total PITA for a recreational boater and it would cost over 50K to repower with new 300XS.

koolkats 06-06-2014 02:13 PM


Originally Posted by Ing (Post 4130291)
Agree totally with other posts. 2.5s are a total PITA for a recreational boater and it would cost over 50K to repower with new 300XS.

Why 2.5l such a PITA? The few hrs I have on running the LIGHTWEIGHT 225x has me believing that they are one of the best outboards mercury has put out, as they run flawless. Maybe its just the electronics they have used for this particular model as well as a couple other differences?

ziemer 06-06-2014 02:39 PM


Originally Posted by koolkats (Post 4133841)
Why 2.5l such a PITA? The few hrs I have on running the LIGHTWEIGHT 225x has me believing that they are one of the best outboards mercury has put out, as they run flawless. Maybe its just the electronics they have used for this particular model as well as a couple other differences?

The Promax and 225X are great motors and virtually bulletproof.

And no, a well built 260 or 280 are really not a pain in the a$$...The pain comes when it's time to rebuild. Unlike your 225X, the 260/280's are coated (nicasil) cylinders rather than steel sleeves. If you only need rings and gaskets, not so bad...However, if they're due for pistons and a recoat, you're talking $4000+ in parts and machine work (per powerhead), and that's if they're not hurt.

Plus, the rebuild window is much shorter than compared to a steel sleeve motor...100-150 on a hipo 2.5, whereas a steel sleeve 225 can go easily over 500.

Also, can bit a bit tiresome mixing 100+ gallons worth of fuel since the 2.5 hi-po's are pre-mix. ;)

Ing 06-06-2014 06:12 PM

Can't get any better then ziemer's explanation. I'll add, most boats that run 2.5 280hp's will also start them in gear which can be a handful in close quarters maneuvering.

JRider 06-06-2014 06:25 PM

2.5s are legendary for anyone without a vagina.

JRider 06-06-2014 06:26 PM


Originally Posted by Ing (Post 4133937)
Can't get any better then ziemer's explanation. I'll add, most boats that run 2.5 280hp's will also start them in gear which can be a handful in close quarters maneuvering.

Or anyone with a vagina.

Ing 06-06-2014 06:36 PM


Originally Posted by JRider (Post 4133941)
Or anyone with a vagina.

Not sure where your going with that but my 22 Talon with 300 Pro Max ran 100mph and I never squatted to piss.

tomtbone1993 06-06-2014 06:38 PM

What boat is it? Link gone

JRider 06-06-2014 06:41 PM

You will find out when I'm actually on a keyboard.

ItsPeanut 06-07-2014 03:50 AM


Originally Posted by tomtbone1993 (Post 4133947)
What boat is it? Link gone

+1

JRider 06-07-2014 05:29 AM


Originally Posted by Sydwayz (Post 4130271)
3 motors on cats is a bit of a PITA to get dialed in correctly.
Sometimes the center motor is shorter. Sometimes the center motor is longer.
(Both differences will affect water pressure and operating temperature.)
It's always running a different RPM than the outer motors, sometimes even with a different prop.

In a word: finicky(2) (And 2 = squared)

2.5L ROS are finicky to begin with.
Then having 3 of them on such a boat just takes that out to another power.
Buy it; take the middle one off and stick in the corner for a spare, and you will probably be a happy owner/boater.

I dont think 2.5s are not that "finicky" as far as a performance motor is concerned. Mine fires every time and has never let me down (less a broken prop shaft). Difficult to match the power to weight and the simplicity of them.

JRider 06-07-2014 05:40 AM


Originally Posted by Ing (Post 4130291)
Agree totally with other posts. 2.5s are a total PITA for a recreational boater and it would cost over 50K to repower with new 300XS.

They are not meant for pontoons and open bow runabouts. I would take a low hour 2.5 260/280 or even a drag over any current performance outie. Not sure why you think they are such a PITA. Mixing gas is not that bad and these things run, in fact I would mix gas all the time if i didnt have to maintain my 575. I have considered going back to 2.5 outies because they are NOT a PITA compared to working on cranked up 575 io package and all the maintenance that goes with it. You make it sound like these are terrible motors which is about as far from the truth as you can get.

The DI motors may seem more refined but there is a few added layers of complexity there and the problems that come with that.

JRider 06-07-2014 05:42 AM


Originally Posted by koolkats (Post 4133841)
Why 2.5l such a PITA? The few hrs I have on running the LIGHTWEIGHT 225x has me believing that they are one of the best outboards mercury has put out, as they run flawless. Maybe its just the electronics they have used for this particular model as well as a couple other differences?

They are not.

JRider 06-07-2014 05:45 AM


Originally Posted by Ing (Post 4133937)
Can't get any better then ziemer's explanation. I'll add, most boats that run 2.5 280hp's will also start them in gear which can be a handful in close quarters maneuvering.

Not necessary to start them in gear but it is friendly to your lower.

Sydwayz 06-07-2014 10:07 PM

Link was:
1995_talon_36_cat_2000_triple_mercury_2_5 at Pier57. (taken from URL)

http://www.pier57.com/web/used/Talon...nois/11157729/

iamjoe 06-13-2014 04:04 PM

I've always thought this would be a cool ride if one could make sense of the money. You sell the 3 2.5s; could you get $7K per? If you wanted to put new 300xs motors on it would be the ultimate, but what about the smaller 250 xs models? Is the price much lower than the 300s? Then a complete re-rig, updated gauges, paint etc., and it becomes an expensive proposition and a ton of money to sink into a 20-year old boat. I'd think if the boat could be bought for around $35K to $40K as it is, it may not be a bad way to go. IMHO $60K or even $50K and its a turd. Depending on how much work you could do for yourself and whether or not you could buy the pieces right, it would be long on the cool factor and the only one out there.

Velocity Tom 06-14-2014 07:48 AM

How bad on fuel are they? As bad as a 500efi? What the $$ of a rebuild if parts are ok just a rering?

yahoo 06-14-2014 02:35 PM

my 30 motion has 2 2.5 ROS they are great, start no problem. Smoke a little. Have not had any probems since last rebuild, using 100% Synthetic Pennzoil oil.

I think the Synthetic Oil is the key.

Oh yeah 1 gallon per mile

Velocity Tom 06-15-2014 07:08 AM

Per side?

yahoo 06-15-2014 07:38 AM

both so it would be .5 mile per gallon each. The key is to not run them over 4,500 rpm much.

If you run them at 8k they will not last long. You can do almost all the work on them yourself, I am not especially good mechanically either.

I have taken them all the way down to send the power heads out to be rebuilt. Also important to watch the lowers close.

skydog 06-15-2014 08:33 AM

That boat is sweet. I for one think it needs three 280s 100%!! I had a light 25' Motion with twins and after having the ports touched it did not have enuff bottom to get on plane!! That is a big boat needs three. As far as 280s go killer motors and very turn key. I have owned 5 280s and three 260s. The 280 run so much better and work wayyyy better on a bigger boats spinning bigger props! Where you dont need the 9k plus rpms. On little A boats or baby cats the 260s are king! But with rpm comes shorter rebuild times. The 280s will spin up with a full pcm and wire harness swap but then you lose the killer 280s starting...idling, so better to just get a older 260.... In the end all my 2.5s where wayyy more turn key than my blown solid big block..... For rebuilding the 280s spinning lower rpm I say 2-300 hours and 260 with some big rpm I say 150+ this is what I have seen with my egg beaters!!! I still love Merc 2.5s killer speed for very cheap if you ask me.....
Skydog

skydog 06-15-2014 08:48 AM


Originally Posted by JRider (Post 4134082)
Not necessary to start them in gear but it is friendly to your lower.

Yea plus 280s have a switch on shifter slide bracket to cut rpms for sec, to making shifting very easy.

Velocity Tom 06-15-2014 11:53 AM

I'm board with Big v bottoms and that thing looks like fun. We boat a lot and I don't want to be rebuilding power heads every other month. or need to take a loan out to run it. But the cockpit looks real tight. Not much room for beach supply's and a cooler for navigational fluid,s

iamjoe 06-20-2014 07:43 PM

I wonder who owns it. I know its for sale at Shogren now, last year it was on eBay for a while. I think the reserve was $50K and the boat was out of Texas. Its cool but I think the price is way out of line.

Speedracer29 06-20-2014 08:45 PM

Shows as "sold" on Pier 57 site.


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