LOTO MSWP Man Overboard Drowning
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Huh???? If he jumped from the boat its on him. He was a dumb **** and the problem fixed it's self. No where is it written that an Officer is 100% responsible for a suspects actions if he is handcuffed in custody.....................PERIOD. I am also curious how many that post on topics like this have ever been involved in law enforcement?
You want to know how wrong you are that the WP isn't responsible, in a year or two the State of Missouri will be writing a big fat check to the Family for wrongful death, it doesn't get more responsible than that, we'll see what all shakes out of after this tragedy when it all said and done, there's gonna be changes to how the WP arrest and handle people in custody and the taxpayers will be short a lot of cash, I hope none of your kids are ever transported by the Missouri WP for any reason, it seems they're not trained properly and don't even know how to drive a boat.
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You want to know how wrong you are that the WP isn't responsible, in a year or two the State of Missouri will be writing a big fat check to the Family for wrongful death, it doesn't get more responsible than that, we'll see what all shakes out of after this tragedy when it all said and done, there's gonna be changes to how the WP arrest and handle people in custody and the taxpayers will be short a lot of cash, I hope none of your kids are ever transported by the Missouri WP for any reason, it seems they're not trained properly and don't even know how to drive a boat.
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Disagree.
If he was burglarizing a liquor store, and fell through the ceiling rending himself unable to move; he would have been wheeled out on a stretcher by Fire & Rescue.
If the stretcher failed and collapsed (perhaps causing more injury) on the way from the liquor store to the back of the ambulance, he doesn't have a leg to stand on (literally) to sue the Fire & Rescue Department. Same goes if the Ambulance blows a tire on the way to the hospital, flips and kills the "patient" or everyone on the unit.
I too am sick and tired of hearing about victims who have first broken the law. If you don't want to this to happen to you, don't break the law.
If he was burglarizing a liquor store, and fell through the ceiling rending himself unable to move; he would have been wheeled out on a stretcher by Fire & Rescue.
If the stretcher failed and collapsed (perhaps causing more injury) on the way from the liquor store to the back of the ambulance, he doesn't have a leg to stand on (literally) to sue the Fire & Rescue Department. Same goes if the Ambulance blows a tire on the way to the hospital, flips and kills the "patient" or everyone on the unit.
I too am sick and tired of hearing about victims who have first broken the law. If you don't want to this to happen to you, don't break the law.
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There are two phrases that come to mind with this scenario.
Play stupid games....win stupid prizes
There are no victims....only volunters
BAC far in excess of legal limit, positive for cocaine, a friend jumping in the water and swimming over to where the cop is administering the sobriety test. We all know what happened here. There is no doubt the cop was negligent on several things but this kid killed himself. I am sure that 90% of this board has had the cocaine cowboy fu(k the police attitude at some point in our lives but one rule has always applied. When in the proximity of cops, and certainly in the custody of, you shut the fu(k up, sit the fu(k down, and comply. EVERY time you see these stories of people dieing around cops it's because they didn't follow that rule.
Play stupid games....win stupid prizes
There are no victims....only volunters
BAC far in excess of legal limit, positive for cocaine, a friend jumping in the water and swimming over to where the cop is administering the sobriety test. We all know what happened here. There is no doubt the cop was negligent on several things but this kid killed himself. I am sure that 90% of this board has had the cocaine cowboy fu(k the police attitude at some point in our lives but one rule has always applied. When in the proximity of cops, and certainly in the custody of, you shut the fu(k up, sit the fu(k down, and comply. EVERY time you see these stories of people dieing around cops it's because they didn't follow that rule.
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Did not the deceased jump from the WP boat? I may be mistaken, but it seems I read in the original thread that witnesses saw the young man struggling and then he jumped from the boat.
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From: Southeast Michigan
The Kansas City Star is like CNN compared to Fox News, both will report the news, but they will slant it in the direction it fits their opinions.
The Kansas City Star has had a hard on about the lake for a NUMBER of years, so anything they report is always against what happens here. So be careful how much you read into anything they print. Yes, are most of the facts there? Maybe/maybe not, just depends on how they spin them and report them... I think the old verbiage heard on the radio is also great for them: We report, you decide...
The Kansas City Star has had a hard on about the lake for a NUMBER of years, so anything they report is always against what happens here. So be careful how much you read into anything they print. Yes, are most of the facts there? Maybe/maybe not, just depends on how they spin them and report them... I think the old verbiage heard on the radio is also great for them: We report, you decide...
The writer throws out the "in a hurry" quote, then several paragraphs later, gives the reason for being "in a hurry"- one of the arrestee's friends in the water, coming toward the patrol boat, during the sobriety test, and prior to cuffing the arrestee.
Getting out of the immediate area was a sound choice. If you wonder why, put on a 10-15lb duty rig with belt keepers, and a bulletproof vest, then have someone suckerpunch and/or push you into waters of unknown depth.
Not stopping a safe distance away to adjust/change PFDs was a poor choice, but hindsight is 20/20, and certainly he wasn't expecting the outcome that occurred.
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two wrongs do not make a right
if the guy was operating a boat while intoxicated than he should be held accountable
If in the process of doing his job the WP made some mistakes than he should be held accountable
if the guy was operating a boat while intoxicated than he should be held accountable
If in the process of doing his job the WP made some mistakes than he should be held accountable
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From: MA
Sounds like we got a couple leo on here circling the wagon 
Regardless if the kid fell out because of rough conditions, because he used poor judgment and jumped out, or was so coked up he thought he could fly to the nearest land......
The officer showed pure neglect and incompetence. He failed to protect and serve.
Was the kid even officially under arrest yet? Or just in "Protective custody " until he performed field sobriety or b.a.c tests ?

Regardless if the kid fell out because of rough conditions, because he used poor judgment and jumped out, or was so coked up he thought he could fly to the nearest land......
The officer showed pure neglect and incompetence. He failed to protect and serve.
Was the kid even officially under arrest yet? Or just in "Protective custody " until he performed field sobriety or b.a.c tests ?




