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golfmaxgolf 04-18-2020 03:16 PM


Originally Posted by Twin O/B Sonic (Post 4733301)

Looks like a Farmer speedster?

rak rua 04-18-2020 07:52 PM


Originally Posted by golfmaxgolf (Post 4734438)
Looks like a Farmer speedster?

I'm fairly sure this was the same boat that was advertised on OSO back in November 2017. He had another one in white and called them a "design based on the Speedster". I think he was selling the hulls for about 25k. (Not sure, memory fade)

Whatever it is, she looks very cool. I'll take mine with outboard(S) please!

RR

lightning jet 04-18-2020 09:10 PM


Originally Posted by Twin O/B Sonic (Post 4734121)
I’ve seen similar.
I think.

I think one of the guys at Power Boat magazine used one motor to run two jet pumps back in the day??

yep I built one of those rigs a few years ago

Twin O/B Sonic 04-18-2020 09:11 PM

Very good.

I knew I remembered it and think your memory is very good.

These molds are less than 2 hrs from me.
The Checkmate molds were half that.

Ugh.


Originally Posted by rak rua (Post 4734462)
I'm fairly sure this was the same boat that was advertised on OSO back in November 2017. He had another one in white and called them a "design based on the Speedster". I think he was selling the hulls for about 25k. (Not sure, memory fade)

Whatever it is, she looks very cool. I'll take mine with outboard(S) please!

RR


rak rua 04-18-2020 10:37 PM


Originally Posted by Twin O/B Sonic (Post 4734474)
Very good.

I knew I remembered it and think your memory is very good.

These molds are less than 2 hrs from me.
The Checkmate molds were half that.

Ugh.

Gary, the memory only works now if I write it down. :)

https://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/...surrected.html

I tried to tell 90,000 people in one hit but nobody was listening. :D

RR

Twin O/B Sonic 04-19-2020 07:14 AM

Not sure how I missed that post?

Agree w/your comments about the looks of the Speedsters.

IMP, One of the prettiest twin in vees of all time.

My only ***** was, for my boating style, the cabin was tiny.
I know it effects the looks but......


Keep forgetting I’m the only one actually using their cabin as a cabin 😂


Originally Posted by rak rua (Post 4734490)
Gary, the memory only works now if I write it down. :)

https://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/...surrected.html

I tried to tell 90,000 people in one hit but nobody was listening. :D

RR


johnmiffco 04-19-2020 09:23 AM


Originally Posted by golfmaxgolf (Post 4734438)
Looks like a Farmer speedster?

farmers,,,,,,, 27 flat deck Excalibur till 81,,,,
then the raised deck version 81-85 that welcraft bought the molds and built with the Excalibur name rights

sailtexas186548 04-19-2020 05:38 PM

I flew out Late 2017 and looked at the red hull (a white one also) in Ohio, molds were still at checkmates factory I didn’t go see them in person. They were asking 25k then for both hulls and the molds.

both hulls were laid up at checkmate, balsa core, wood transom/stringers. I think checkmate built the molds but I’m not sure on That.

the molds were splashed off the 27 activator Straight bottom, which is now the rage 28 with a couple steps, and that guy to Toffen in Europe is building some with those activator molds with the newest step design from rage under the activator name.

Yes the history above is correct, it was the farmer speedster/Excalibur, then the Wellcraft Excalibar, then the activator 27, then they became this “new” boat which is a custom deck on the same original hull.

the red boat was like NEW, an excellent project if you want a bare hull. White hull could be saved but it’s rough. The mold pics I saw showed them like new also. I made an offer in the whole package but it wasn’t accepted.

i have contact info for the owners if someone wants it


Twin O/B Sonic 04-20-2020 06:55 AM

This is interesting.
Never seen one if it’s legit.

Unfortunately it’s the worst ad ever and only had two pics.

listed by POP.

I followed the links but didn’t get anywhere but to POPs site which I think requires registration for access.
Normally their ads on Craigs are way more thorough.

A fairly optimistic price I’d say as well 😉

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1970-Bertra...d/124158428936

larslindroth 04-22-2020 02:07 AM

Peter Rittmaster's resto mod Bertram 28 Baron.
 
Gary, that Bertram was a total resto 8 years ago by a talented fellow, Shawn Taylor. He started with it being in pretty sad shape, but it was done for the legendary former President and CEO of Bertram Yachts, Peter Rittmaster, so money was no object. Since the boat was cosmetically gone, they took the freedom to do it in a resto mod style. It was for sale 5 years ago for $65k, but didn't sell. We fellows that were on the Donzi forum for years were following it and there even used to be photos of the resto here on OSO. It's a sweet hull design with its narrow beam and 26 degrees at the transom. Whom ever buys it will not regret it.

Mr. Rittmaster with Lady in photos.

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...c4c6a21a5b.jpg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...079d8926dc.jpg
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...dd79dc51e2.jpg
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...ae7c40ae72.jpg
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...9537644c57.jpg
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...0245e882d3.jpg
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...3c4c752028.jpg



Twin O/B Sonic 04-22-2020 06:46 AM

Wow, a gorgeous pc of history!

Love the in-lines.

Thx for the pics and history Lars.

larslindroth 04-22-2020 04:43 PM


Originally Posted by Twin O/B Sonic (Post 4734937)
Wow, a gorgeous pc of history!

Love the in-lines.

Thx for the pics and history Lars.

Yes, these 292s were rebuilt and with new cams produce close to 300 hp. Boat also has the cool heavy duty Merc II-TRS drives, and on top of that an extra pair of newly rebuilt drives. Just the drives are worth a pretty penny for the classic connesoisseurs. ;) I personally like everything about the restoration, with the exception of the too retro windshield and the helm, but then, those are easily exchanged for the original design, which I definitely prefer. Sure hope she finds a good caretaker.

Another photo of the engines, and a photo of another restored Baron 28 with the stock windshield and original interior. I prefer these original.

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...2f18d70772.jpg
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...e301b89e45.jpg


Twin O/B Sonic 04-22-2020 05:43 PM

I’m w/you Lars, I prefer orig but the new one looks good too.
And as we both know, if you can write the check, it can be purple and ugly.

300 HPs from the in-lines is huge.
Times two, should be a fun ride.

Llogicl 05-17-2020 03:54 PM

5-17-2020 eBAY alert on a Imperial Don A. special. with ASLP serial number.

Twin O/B Sonic 05-17-2020 04:18 PM

I saw that ad and wondered where they/you got that history on the Imperials and Aronow?


Originally Posted by Llogicl (Post 4739398)
5-17-2020 eBAY alert on a Imperial Don A. special. with ASLP serial number.


phughes69 05-17-2020 09:27 PM


Originally Posted by Llogicl (Post 4739398)
5-17-2020 eBAY alert on a Imperial Don A. special. with ASLP serial number.

what is the item number?

Smoke eater 05-17-2020 09:30 PM


Originally Posted by phughes69 (Post 4739461)
what is the item number?


https://www.ebay.com/itm/143602925432

larslindroth 05-17-2020 10:17 PM

Nothing like 10 carat gold:

Reference link: Imperial Boats by All Seasons Industries splashed the Squadron XII 27 Offshore.

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...b975d629db.jpg

larslindroth 05-18-2020 02:24 AM

24 carat.

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...eb78a9d6a8.jpg

Twin O/B Sonic 05-26-2020 07:25 PM

I freagin love this thing!

You can tell it was still early enough that they designed the interiors around the top end cars of the day.
Hadnt don’t the nautical bend yet.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/DONZI-21GT-...E/124174577704

Wildman_grafix 05-26-2020 08:30 PM


Originally Posted by Twin O/B Sonic (Post 4740830)
I freagin love this thing!

You can tell it was still early enough that they designed the interiors around the top end cars of the day.
Hadnt don’t the nautical bend yet.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/DONZI-21GT-...E/124174577704


but the throttle is on the left!!!!!

OMG how would you drive it?

lmao

Twin O/B Sonic 05-27-2020 08:23 AM

Funny how some people are about that.

I built a 100 MPH 17’ vee bottom OB yrs ago and struggled w/that part of set up.
Was an open stringer boat w /steering on right.

W/the floor being the top side of the bottom, there was no place for a foot throttle on the right of driver.
Only place it would work (for Rt hand steer) was for left foot operation.

I threw another wrench in the gears when I decided to make the seats convertible.
I wanted both, side by seating for lake play and single/center seat for drag racing.

Built a grid for the seats w/clevis pins to move them.

I then mounted the wheel 1/2 way between where should be for center steer and side side by side.
So it was a few inches from both normal locations.

Had no clue if any of it would work.

Maybe it’s just me but it had zero effect on me.

Worked well enough I did it on a 110 MPH 19’ tunnel boat too.

As long as I can reach the wheel, trim buttons and throttle, who cares 😉




Originally Posted by Wildman_grafix (Post 4740843)
but the throttle is on the left!!!!!

OMG how would you drive it?

lmao


resurrected 05-27-2020 01:49 PM

I hope you have kept a photo album of all your cool, unique builds! And not just the end result, but work in progress

Twin O/B Sonic 05-27-2020 05:55 PM

I have tried.

But, after just turning 61 w/no kids and no one in the family that gives a **** about fast boats, it stops w/me.


Originally Posted by resurrected (Post 4740958)
I hope you have kept a photo album of all your cool, unique builds! And not just the end result, but work in progress


madbouyz 05-30-2020 02:03 PM

Now , here's a comfy old relic for someone on the other side of the pond looking for a project

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Boat-21-F...UAAOSwXQRexOPs

The seller's 2nd last sentence of the ad text kills me .. :D At least he's honest .

Twin O/B Sonic 05-31-2020 06:57 AM

Hilarious!


Originally Posted by madbouyz (Post 4741427)
Now , here's a comfy old relic for someone on the other side of the pond looking for a project

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Boat-21-F...UAAOSwXQRexOPs

The seller's 2nd last sentence of the ad text kills me .. :D At least he's honest .


hogie roll 06-18-2020 08:55 AM

https://miami.craigslist.org/mdc/boa...139337097.html

not sure what the market is for this one

iliveonanisland 06-18-2020 09:00 AM


Originally Posted by hogie roll (Post 4744138)
https://miami.craigslist.org/mdc/boa...139337097.html

not sure what the market is for this one

looks like he is bailing out of it lol. Did he put a hot tub in the engine compartment?

phughes69 06-18-2020 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by hogie roll (Post 4744138)
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not sure what the market is for this one

With the outboards does that mean its really a 47'r now. If they put a beak on the back of the engines I think they could call it a 50'

Wildman_grafix 06-18-2020 10:44 AM


Originally Posted by hogie roll (Post 4744138)
https://miami.craigslist.org/mdc/boa...139337097.html

not sure what the market is for this one

Last that guy posted was one motor still had issues. The boat isn't worth much more than the motors, nasty interior etc.

On another note I wonder how bad the balance would be on something like this, that hull was tweeked to snot for stag BBC mounted low and close to the keel.

Now ALL the power is behind the transom and high,,,,,,, The CG has to be a mess.

hogie roll 06-18-2020 11:17 AM


Originally Posted by Wildman_grafix (Post 4744161)
Last that guy posted was one motor still had issues. The boat isn't worth much more than the motors, nasty interior etc.

On another note I wonder how bad the balance would be on something like this, that hull was tweeked to snot for stag BBC mounted low and close to the keel.

Now ALL the power is behind the transom and high,,,,,,, The CG has to be a mess.

Id bet it runs good. Shifting the weight back gets it on the pad and well and packing air nicely.

Im curious what it’s worth. This is one of the most desirable hulls to repower IMO. Someone with an old school straight bottom could put their drivetrains in there and pick up 10-20mph.

But that potential has been damped by the OB setup.

Someone in the carribean might snap it up though.

Im just thinking about my 2 aging higher hour OBs, couldn’t imagine worrying about 4 that aren’t new.

Wildman_grafix 06-18-2020 01:38 PM


Originally Posted by hogie roll (Post 4744169)
Id bet it runs good. Shifting the weight back gets it on the pad and well and packing air nicely.

Yes,,, in smooth water. I am wondering more when you start running it like a offshore boat in rough water and flying it.

What you said is the same thing me and another friend said off line, most people are running in pretty smooth stuff or if it gets rough they go in or slow down so for how they use it would be great.

hogie roll 06-18-2020 08:20 PM


Originally Posted by Wildman_grafix (Post 4744187)
Yes,,, in smooth water. I am wondering more when you start running it like a offshore boat in rough water and flying it.

What you said is the same thing me and another friend said off line, most people are running in pretty smooth stuff or if it gets rough they go in or slow down so for how they use it would be great.

Thats pretty much how OBs run in the rough, just like you described. You could counteract that with some seriously long tab, but there’s no room on the transom of that boat for them.

Twin O/B Sonic 06-20-2020 10:36 AM

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Love these things.

The lines are just perfect.

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Wildman_grafix 06-20-2020 11:08 AM


Originally Posted by hogie roll (Post 4744240)
Thats pretty much how OBs run in the rough, just like you described. You could counteract that with some seriously long tab, but there’s no room on the transom of that boat for them.

I don't get what you are saying?


Wildman_grafix 06-20-2020 11:14 AM


Originally Posted by hogie roll (Post 4744240)
Thats pretty much how OBs run in the rough, just like you described. You could counteract that with some seriously long tab, but there’s no room on the transom of that boat for them.

I don't get what you are saying?



Poker Face Xtreme 07-05-2020 07:54 PM

Wasn’t on CraigsList. But saw this gem heading out in Boca Grande yesterday.
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...bda5219c5.jpeg

rak rua 07-05-2020 08:24 PM

I can almost overlook the wrap ^^ in light of him having the correct guy:girl ratio. :)

wwahl 07-05-2020 11:48 PM


Originally Posted by rak rua (Post 4746776)
I can almost overlook the wrap ^^ in light of him having the correct guy:girl ratio. :)

She looks stronger than the boat.

Twin O/B Sonic 07-06-2020 06:12 AM

Needs more speakers.


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