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Old 08-01-2014, 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Keytime
Did someone say Arnesons?

http://www.offshoreonly.com/classifi...o58193-en.html

Needs some TLC, but cool piece.
That is a pretty boat. I love the solid white hull.
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Old 08-01-2014, 10:48 AM
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still too much for and older non updated scarab IMO...
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Old 08-01-2014, 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by jeff32
still too much for and older non updated scarab IMO...
Probably so. There's the asking price and then there's the offer.
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Dave,
I think by 1988 the entire HP boating industry was mostly running flat out. Quality was secondary to maximizing short term profits.
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Originally Posted by glassdave
actually they got better after 87 or so (Scarabs that is) much better. Early boats may have been heavy resin rich tanks but build quality and rigging was not that great. my 88 Scarab III compared to earlier boats was night and day and if you put them side by side you'd swear they were from two different manufacturers. I think its tough to beat a Gun for ride but that 38 Scarab wont be to far behind thats for sure.
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seller claims 60 mph with 509's carbed engines guesstimated at 450-465 hp... are they that slow? I would have hoped for... at least 65 to 70 !

does he have a ''slow'' speedometer?
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I would think 509's would make more then 450 hp....?? I would say 60-64 range depending on water conditions....takes power to move old sleds....
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seller claims 60 mph with 509's carbed engines guesstimated at 450-465 hp... are they that slow? I would have hoped for... at least 65 to 70 !

does he have a ''slow'' speedometer?
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Stock mk4 502 mag carb'd engines were only 390hp. Stock rebuild .030 over = one turd of a 509
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Wasn't thinking of that oops lol
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Originally Posted by Jupiter Sunsation
These types of threads are really moot when talking about 30+ year old performance boats. When it comes down to it, the best boat isn't the brand but rather the condition of the ones for sale. Both are heavy sleds that need a ton of HP to run 75 mph, then you need a 2500+ diesel truck to pull back and forth to the ramp. Then if you consider how many days does the boat get wet in _________ (insert city, area of the country) now divide by how many of those days will truly be rough enough to notice a difference.....kind of prepping for a snowstorm in Florida! Let's use Canada in the above equation. 5 months of boating season, you get out three times a month (15 outings). 20% of the outings it gets nasty (3 times a year)......now really in those 3 times of rough (4-5ft seas) is the brand really going to make a difference if you stay home or go out? Probably not......if it is 4-5 you probably stay home regardless. Getting stuck in rough conditions is different (seas spool up after a storm) and you need to get home.

In the end, buy the boat that is in the nicest condition for the money and the one that appears to be the one that will give you the most amount of trouble free boating. Any of the 35-38 ft boats from Scarabs, Cigs, Formula of that vintage will have a solid ride so it really comes down to present day condition, price etc. Face it, none of these rigs are going to be running a race anytime soon, they will all need work/parts to keep them going and then you can sell them for 1/4 of what you have invested in them (time/money).
Well said! I think of this every time someone brings up how uber-awesomesauce better than Noah's ark!!1!1!!!!!! Apache!!!!11!111 Take a deep V hull that weighs a **** ton and it's gonna be a wave smasher. And... it is going to take a metric **** ton of HP to run fast and be rough on the driveline as well. *If* you want to regularly go out and beat the hell out of the boat (and your body and passengers) in big water, hard to beat an old resin bucket but there are definitely trade offs.
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