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BigSilverCat 08-10-2014 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by PigNaPoke (Post 4168687)
There is a pic on here of a skater (Scaredy cat) running to Bimini really hanging it out in the ocean...boat is full of people. Personally until I see someone with an mti do the same I couldn't imagine comparing the two.


We were in freedom next to them, the helicopter only followed us a few miles out on that run where the seas were only 4'-6' about 3/4 of the way the noaa bouy was showing 8'-10' with occasional up to 14'... I had some really good pics and video of scaredy cat up in the air but then the waves were crashing over us into the cockpit and my cameras was ruined when it floated past me in the cockpit, and the go-pros were knocked off the deck when we went through some waves.

this pic was right when we left then I put my phone away.
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PigNaPoke 08-10-2014 09:55 PM


Originally Posted by Bigyellowcat (Post 4168917)
We were in freedom next to them, the helicopter only followed us a few miles out on that run where the seas were only 4'-6' about 3/4 of the way the noaa bouy was showing 8'-10' with occasional up to 14'... I had some really good pics and video of scaredy cat up in the air but then the waves were crashing over us into the cockpit and my cameras was ruined when it floated past me in the cockpit, and the go-pros were knocked off the deck when we went through some waves.

this pic was right when we left then I put my phone away.
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Real 4-6's lol... those shots were the loosest I've ever seen seen a cat piloted... most would have went back n put the boats on the trailer. Hats off to you all living the offshore dream.

Orthobam 08-10-2014 09:56 PM


Originally Posted by Bigyellowcat (Post 4168917)
We were in freedom next to them, the helicopter only followed us a few miles out on that run where the seas were only 4'-6' about 3/4 of the way the noaa bouy was showing 8'-10' with occasional up to 14'... I had some really good pics and video of scaredy cat up in the air but then the waves were crashing over us into the cockpit and my cameras was ruined when it floated past me in the cockpit, and the go-pros were knocked off the deck when we went through some waves.

this pic was right when we left then I put my phone away.
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Those are some scaaaary looking waves. We are definitely not in Kansas anymore Dorothy.

SummerObsession 08-10-2014 10:00 PM

Yep, that's some real water right there!

302Sport 08-10-2014 10:03 PM

Very close friend owns scaredy cat and it is currently for sale: http://www.offshoreonly.com/classifi...o57744-en.html

Here's the Bimini pics:

http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/g...eze-frame.html

Orthobam 08-10-2014 10:03 PM

Big Yellow clear some space....trying to send you a PM.

PigNaPoke 08-10-2014 10:15 PM


Originally Posted by 302Sport (Post 4168946)
Very close friend owns scaredy cat and it is currently for sale: http://www.offshoreonly.com/classifi...o57744-en.html

Here's the Bimini pics:

http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/g...eze-frame.html

There they are... maybe the guy driving the boat is a maniac lol but I love it. Big stones... big water.

WeaponX 08-10-2014 11:49 PM

Pull a tape on a 48 MTI and on a 46 Skater. Running surface

Orthobam 08-11-2014 06:12 AM

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Now I've never heard a thing about this 482 model and wonder why it it hasn't been brought into the discussion. I would think this might be a whole different animal....

BONDO10 08-11-2014 06:39 AM

Summer O, great thread. How would you compare the 1100's to the 1350's?
Thanks

VIP Transport 08-11-2014 07:41 AM

I believe that's just a 46 with bustle.

Orthobam 08-11-2014 08:13 AM


Originally Posted by VIP Transport (Post 4169054)
I believe that's just a 46 with bustle.

ahhhhhhh

so it would be very similar in size to the 48 MTI sitting side by side????

44MTI 08-11-2014 09:43 AM

Pretty close in overall size, but I think there will be some noticable differences. I would guess that the running surface of the 46 Skater is just slightly longer. I think the tunnel of the MTI is going to be slightly wider. These are pretty small differences, but will change how the boat rides and handles in different conditions.

SummerObsession 08-11-2014 11:04 AM


Originally Posted by BONDO10 (Post 4169036)
Summer O, great thread. How would you compare the 1100's to the 1350's?
Thanks

The torque of the 1100's is big. The torque and mid range acceleration of the 1350's is incredible. Both idle like 525's, are very quiet around the docks (especially the MTI because of the bustle design), and reliable.
The 1350's are a lot more thirsty however.:eek::D

SummerObsession 08-11-2014 11:08 AM

For the record though, I would love to see Mercury Racing come up with something between the 1350's and 1650's that required 93 octane but made like 1500 hp. I really wanted to put 1650's in this boat but there is no way I'm hauling race fuel.

flight club 08-11-2014 11:12 AM


Originally Posted by SummerObsession (Post 4169189)
For the record though, I would love to see Mercury Racing come up with something between the 1350's and 1650's that required 93 octane but made like 1500 hp. I really wanted to put 1650's in this boat but there is no way I'm hauling race fuel.

+1

CAFE 08-11-2014 11:43 AM


Originally Posted by SummerObsession (Post 4169189)
For the record though, I would love to see Mercury Racing come up with something between the 1350's and 1650's that required 93 octane but made like 1500 hp. I really wanted to put 1650's in this boat but there is no way I'm hauling race fuel.

Is anyone able to get in to the computers yet and possibly bump up the HP on the 1350's?

chattviper 08-11-2014 11:50 AM

All you big boys wanting more power and I was hoping before my build Mercury would come out a with a de-tuned 1100 motor set up as an 850...LOL. I believe they have this set up for Europe racers..i could be wrong.

Btw, thanks for the info on the two boats. Both brands are amazing and you are lucky to be able to own both.

Ron.....I think he's owned every brand! :)



Originally Posted by SummerObsession (Post 4169189)
For the record though, I would love to see Mercury Racing come up with something between the 1350's and 1650's that required 93 octane but made like 1500 hp. I really wanted to put 1650's in this boat but there is no way I'm hauling race fuel.


WeaponX 08-11-2014 11:50 AM

48 MTI is 42' 9" running surface in cut down race boat length

And is a very fast boat.

precisiondetails 08-11-2014 11:57 AM


Originally Posted by chattviper (Post 4169219)
All you big boys wanting more power and I was hoping before my build Mercury would come out a with a de-tuned 1100 motor set up as an 850...LOL. I believe they have this set up for Europe racers..i could be wrong.

Btw, thanks for the info on the two boats. Both brands are amazing and you are lucky to be able to own both.

Ron.....I think he's owned every brand! :)

Just wait, I keep hearing and believe they will come out with a NA version of the 1100 making around 900

SummerObsession 08-11-2014 12:10 PM


Originally Posted by chattviper (Post 4169219)
All you big boys wanting more power and I was hoping before my build Mercury would come out a with a de-tuned 1100 motor set up as an 850...LOL. I believe they have this set up for Europe racers..i could be wrong)

The boat going to Dubai had that exact set up. Ran pretty good from what I could see.

flight club 08-11-2014 12:30 PM


Originally Posted by WeaponX (Post 4169221)
48 MTI is 42' 9" running surface in cut down race boat length

And is a very fast boat.

46 skater is 46 running surface, And very fast also.

24OL4NOW 08-11-2014 06:49 PM

Both are bad A$$! Looking forward to shootout weekend! Were right around corner from the toad! Best weekend of the year at LOTO

SummerObsession 08-11-2014 07:59 PM


Originally Posted by flight club (Post 4169264)
46 skater is 46 running surface, And very fast also.

Just curious. What is the running surface on the blue and white 52?

precisiondetails 08-11-2014 08:06 PM


Originally Posted by SummerObsession (Post 4169589)
Just curious. What is the running surface on the blue and white 52?

It's a 46

stimleck 08-11-2014 08:21 PM

since both SO and Ron clearly have the means to buy whatever motor they want, would you mind sharing the reason that you go with mercury instead of one of the big builders like Stirling or Chief?

Originally Posted by flight club (Post 4169193)
+1


SummerObsession 08-11-2014 08:34 PM


Originally Posted by stimleck (Post 4169607)
since both SO and Ron clearly have the means to buy whatever motor they want, would you mind sharing the reason that you go with mercury instead of one of the big builders like Stirling or Chief?

For me, it's reliability, warranty, ease of operation, parts availability and resale value. Same reason I don't have a rudder boat, though if I did it over again, it would be shaft drive for sure.

WeaponX 08-11-2014 08:53 PM


Originally Posted by flight club (Post 4169264)
46 skater is 46 running surface, And very fast also.

Right on and a Monster in the big water. That's the point of my first post. :) 3'3" is a good bit of difference when the advertised number of a 48 is 2' longer.

I think your 46' Flight Club was the first one Pete called a 50 right?

cowisl 08-12-2014 07:53 AM


Originally Posted by SummerObsession (Post 4168355)
I have had several people ask what my thoughts are on these two boats, so here it goes. Please keep in mind these are my personal observations only and your experience may vary!
Just for clarification, the Skater was set up with 1100 Q c4V turbo motors and 6 drives, the MTI has 1350's and 8R's. Also, the MTI is the new 48 G6 version.
First of all they are BOTH super nice boats in their own way so it really comes down to some relatively small differences between the two.
The fit and finish in both boats is outstanding! Being that Skater builds every deck to suit, there is more customization to be had. However, the new G6 deck and cockpit has enough built in molding in the deck to eliminate ALL flex. It is extremely solid even in rough water. Regarding paint finish, either boat taken to Visual Imagination will come out flawless. Mark takes the time to do them right.
Interior wise, the MTI is phenomenal. The windshield eliminates wind in the cockpit, even for the rear seat passengers. The 8 seat layout gives everyone a great view and normal conversation at 120 MPH plus is easily achieved. The access to fenders and lines, as well as ample storage for small items really make the boat useable for all outings.
Regarding handling, even though prop and spacer selection is not finished (8R's are different to set up than standard 8's), the MTI handles extremely well with no surprises all the way to the top speed range (let's say 170 plus for now). The Skater always felt "flighty" in that it required a more nose high trim angle to get the speed out of it. I know the 388 style hull dialed in correctly is not that way, I have run with one.
The ride of the MTI is where the extra length and weight really shine. I can run in LOTO slop all day long and not feel beat up at the end of the day. My wife likes riding in this boat and definitely did not like the Skater ride. It was just too flighty and rough riding for her.
Realize that set up and prop selection can change a lot, particularly with a classic bottom Skater. I have ridden a lot in orthobams 40 classic, and his rides much better than mine did.

At the end of the day, for the type of boating that I do, the MTI is a better fit, mostly because of the ride and convenience of the interior set up. MTI has a philosophy of building whatever the customer wants, regardless! That made the boat building experience a great one!

I post this to answer some question and not to start a bashing thread of any kind, so please do not turn it into one, that is not the intent! They truly both are great machines and get better with each and every new model. I look forward to seeing what both these companies and others release in the future!

Congrats on the new ride. Looks awesome. Quick question- when you built your Skater, why did you pick the 2 step bottom over the 5 step? Better characteristics? Just curious. Enjoy!

offshore312 08-12-2014 08:31 AM


Originally Posted by flight club (Post 4168693)
i will be driving with Bill in GOTCHA. Sounds like a plan. We can eat some big water. And I owned every brand and size cat out there, and i will continue to buy every brand cat out there. LOL

Might be real interesting to do a "Harrison Township to Chicago" run with those cats. You'd get to experience Lake Huron & Lake Michigan....

SummerObsession 08-12-2014 09:01 AM


Originally Posted by cowisl (Post 4169851)
Congrats on the new ride. Looks awesome. Quick question- when you built your Skater, why did you pick the 2 step bottom over the 5 step? Better characteristics? Just curious. Enjoy!

That's an easy one. I didn't build it! It had five hours on it when I bought it.

flight club 08-12-2014 12:42 PM


Originally Posted by WeaponX (Post 4169640)
Right on and a Monster in the big water. That's the point of my first post. :) 3'3" is a good bit of difference when the advertised number of a 48 is 2' longer.

I think your 46' Flight Club was the first one Pete called a 50 right?

YES, IT IS A 46 WITH A 4' BUSSEL. Pete is in the works of coming out with a true 50. 50' running surface, 13' beam

44MTI 08-12-2014 02:30 PM

Summer Obsession, why would you build a Shaft boat instead.
FYI, I agree as I have one being put together as soon as Randy gets it painted, but I am curious about your reasoning.

SummerObsession 08-12-2014 04:29 PM

I like the way the shaft boats handle. A couple reasons people dont build them are that the 1350's come complete with drivetrain so you have M8's sitting there, and resale wise most don't want a shaft drive because they assume they are less maneuverable around the docks.


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