Market Analysis Game.......500K to spend
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08-10-2014, 03:39 PM
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I see your point JS. Alot of the boats mentioned are awesome but they aren't my cup of tea. Active thunder would be a big choice of mine if it wasn't just me going out and hammering down. Fact is I'm single no family to appease. Big difference there in the two classes of boat.
08-10-2014, 03:42 PM
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I was going to include placing a decent offer on Tonto but didn't in order to stick to strict 5 year budget - few hiccups and youd be close to 500k in boat and maintenance. still my favorite 41.
08-10-2014, 03:57 PM
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The new 368/700 Skater would top my list but the $500k doesn't leave your maintenance and storage window open. I can store it cheap(but not free) and 700 warranty is only a year.
That said I WOULD buy that or a 38 MTI at or just below the $500k mark. It's still worth $250-275k in 5 years and I'm not gonna quit working so I will keep making income.
Now, if I was looking to buy, use and cash out the 2008 Donzi ZRC w 525s would be my choice. Pay $125-135k. Use it 5 years it's still worth $90k. Easy to tow, easy to store, reliable(ish) and runs 90++ every day.
That said I WOULD buy that or a 38 MTI at or just below the $500k mark. It's still worth $250-275k in 5 years and I'm not gonna quit working so I will keep making income.
Now, if I was looking to buy, use and cash out the 2008 Donzi ZRC w 525s would be my choice. Pay $125-135k. Use it 5 years it's still worth $90k. Easy to tow, easy to store, reliable(ish) and runs 90++ every day.
08-10-2014, 04:00 PM
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PNP, I believe Tonto is a pristine 41 Apache Powerboat, The Chief engines are relatively fresh, the 6's are strong, I prefer the Velvet drive dockside manners to the crash box, so that would be the only change made. A dream powerboat for sure, easy to haul on the roadway. Easy launch and haul out. Easy engine maintenance with the staggered engines. Hiccups be damned.
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08-10-2014, 04:15 PM
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Not a single new performance boat purchase so far......even with free money!
One performance CC purchase (two if I was to buy the Intrepid instead of the 38 PP).
If people won't hypothetically buy with 1/2 million in free money, you can now see why the manufacturers are struggling to sell new performance boats to buyers using their own money! I also think a 500K budget is insanity, you can buy several new performance boats at that price point yet no one did.
OSO is a very diverse group, I would think a performance boat manufacturer who posted this exact question would get an idea of how tough this market really is from top to bottom. Can you imagine introducing a boat like the OL 36 (dead middle of a 500K budget, newest boat in this segment that I can think of) and not one person thinks of your product? AT 33/37 , Sunsation 32/36, Cig 38 TS TG? Hustler 29/38? DCB/Skater smaller cats? Could you imagine designing a new hull, new paint/interior concepts, new Mercury power and then giving someone 500K in free money to buy it yet they still bring up a 30 year old 41 Apache as their chosen option?.......HUGE KICK IN THE NUTS RIGHT THERE!
If I had the ability to post this back in 2004 I suspect there would have been lots of new boat orders! Powerplay, Sonic, Spectre, Fountain, Donzi, Baja, Black Thunder would have all been answering phones back then!
One performance CC purchase (two if I was to buy the Intrepid instead of the 38 PP).
If people won't hypothetically buy with 1/2 million in free money, you can now see why the manufacturers are struggling to sell new performance boats to buyers using their own money! I also think a 500K budget is insanity, you can buy several new performance boats at that price point yet no one did.
OSO is a very diverse group, I would think a performance boat manufacturer who posted this exact question would get an idea of how tough this market really is from top to bottom. Can you imagine introducing a boat like the OL 36 (dead middle of a 500K budget, newest boat in this segment that I can think of) and not one person thinks of your product? AT 33/37 , Sunsation 32/36, Cig 38 TS TG? Hustler 29/38? DCB/Skater smaller cats? Could you imagine designing a new hull, new paint/interior concepts, new Mercury power and then giving someone 500K in free money to buy it yet they still bring up a 30 year old 41 Apache as their chosen option?.......HUGE KICK IN THE NUTS RIGHT THERE!
If I had the ability to post this back in 2004 I suspect there would have been lots of new boat orders! Powerplay, Sonic, Spectre, Fountain, Donzi, Baja, Black Thunder would have all been answering phones back then!
Now if we all had millions in bank, your market analysis would go very differently. IMHO
08-10-2014, 04:20 PM
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PNP, I believe Tonto is a pristine 41 Apache Powerboat, The Chief engines are relatively fresh, the 6's are strong, I prefer the Velvet drive dockside manners to the crash box, so that would be the only change made. A dream powerboat for sure, easy to haul on the roadway. Easy launch and haul out. Easy engine maintenance with the staggered engines. Hiccups be damned.
08-10-2014, 04:25 PM
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This is a good question. Only answer I can come up with now is not a fishing boat, I mean CC
Fresh water here so no worries about big power salt issues that seem to have driven many to the outboard.
I do like the 420 nortech monte carlo however. It has some CC, cuddy and pure high performance features all in one. OK, used 420 monte with 700s when it's 400K and spend the rest on enjoying the boat!
Brand new I might look at 36 outerlimits with 565s. 500K doesn't get what it used to brand new these days!!
Fresh water here so no worries about big power salt issues that seem to have driven many to the outboard.I do like the 420 nortech monte carlo however. It has some CC, cuddy and pure high performance features all in one. OK, used 420 monte with 700s when it's 400K and spend the rest on enjoying the boat!
Brand new I might look at 36 outerlimits with 565s. 500K doesn't get what it used to brand new these days!!
08-10-2014, 04:29 PM
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I see your point JS. Alot of the boats mentioned are awesome but they aren't my cup of tea. Active thunder would be a big choice of mine if it wasn't just me going out and hammering down. Fact is I'm single no family to appease. Big difference there in the two classes of boat.
I still rather sport a nice CC then a cat or Vee with I/Os
08-10-2014, 04:33 PM
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a colombian built submarine, 100k, load it with 4 tons of blow 350k gas to usa 20k, use remaining 30k partying with hookers and titty dancers at scores. skuttle the sub, sell the blow for 8 million dollars... did i win
